[LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

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[LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Tmaen » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:40 pm

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 308665.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] Legion TD Mega 1200+ #88
Your Warcraft III Username: 257er
Violator's Warcraft III Username: JaySmith
Violated Rule(s):
  1. Do not ruin the game on purpos
  2. Do not teamkill (ex. blocking, maliciously using spells, destroying/hiding/stealing/massing items, selling towers, etc).
  3. Refusing to cooperate when asked to do so several times by sending alone and not save-send with teammates to win.

Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 31:39
Any further thoughts:

The enemies were pretty strong on 15 and still had 4 heals still JaySmith tried to force send on 15 without no reason cause we would have been better on 16 or even on a 17 race, cause 15 would clearly fail. He would not listen and still to none time the team decided to send 15, like u can see in the chat protocoll. However he just forced to send 15 by sending locks etc. so that the rest was forced to send.

Team decisions (in short):
  1. Time 28:33 - 29:42:
    JaySmith and Transe want to send, he also says "we voted as a team" which was clearly not the case since i didnt wanted to send and chopper was not clear about it since he wrote "i m lost :( what is the plan ?"
  2. Time 29:51 - 30:51:
    We actually voted and me, Transen and chopper decided to not send and risk it. So team decisions were 3:1 to not send!
  3. Time 31:00 - 31:39
    He didn't aknowledged the team decision and tried to convince the others to still send which is legit in my opinion. But since we couldn't decide as a team(it was 2-2 again) we clearly could not send on 15. JaySmith & Transe wanted to send me and chopper didnt't wanted to. Since we didn't had a decision he should had not forced the send. But that's exactly what he did and he even insisted that the team voted for it which is clearly not the case like u can read in the following chat protocoll.

Spoiler!
(28:33 / Allied) JaySmith: or.. seems 15 it is
(28:38 / Allied) 257er: we dont send 15
(28:42 / Allied) JaySmith: yes we do
(28:44 / Allied) Transen: we do send 15
(28:44 / Allied) JaySmith: we dont survive
(28:45 / Allied) 257er: no we dont
(28:48 / Allied) 257er: we have to
(28:49 / Allied) Transen: we die 15
(28:52 / Allied) JaySmith: yes we do noob
(28:54 / Allied) Transen: because yellow leaks every round
(28:56 / Allied) Transen: go 15
(29:10 / Allied) JaySmith: even so we send
(29:13 / Allied) 257er: i wont
(29:22 / Allied) JaySmith: do that and u get instant ban
(29:32 / Allied) JaySmith: we send 15
(29:36 / Allied) 257er: no
(29:38 / Allied) JaySmith: yes
(29:39 / Allied) chopper: i m lost :( what is the plan ?
(29:40 / Allied) 257er: if u send alone
(29:42 / Allied) JaySmith: we voted as a team
(29:42 / Allied) 257er: u get the ban
(29:49 / Allied) 257er: no u just said
(29:51 / Allied) 257er: nobody agreed
(29:53 / Allied) chopper: i m ok risk no send
(29:57 / Allied) 257er: see
(30:01 / Allied) JaySmith: oj?
(30:03 / Allied) chopper: we wont kill them 15
(30:03 / Allied) JaySmith: if u say yes
(30:04 / Allied) JaySmith: we send
(30:06 / Allied) 257er: no
(30:07 / Allied) JaySmith: yes we do
(30:09 / Allied) 257er: its 2-2
(30:13 / Allied) Transen: lets risk
(30:16 / Allied) JaySmith: ..
(30:16 / Allied) Transen: we might surive
(30:22 / Allied) JaySmith: we wont surive
(30:24 / Allied) JaySmith: and they hold shit
(30:25 / Allied) Transen: yeah prob
(30:28 / Allied) 257er: dude
(30:32 / Allied) 257er: they have perfect anti 15
(30:49 / Allied) chopper: tb is perfect :(
(30:51 / Allied) JaySmith: they wont make a diffrence
(30:55 / Allied) Transen: ok stop
(30:56 / Allied) Transen: listen
(30:59 / Allied) 257er: omfg
(31:00 / Allied) Transen: we prob dont survive
(31:01 / Allied) 257er: this bot is so bad
(31:02 / Allied) Transen: I would send
(31:05 / Allied) Transen: XD
(31:05 / Allied) 257er: no
(31:06 / Allied) 257er: dont
(31:16 / Allied) chopper: ok we save
(31:16 / Allied) JaySmith: go send
(31:20 / Allied) JaySmith: we will not make it
(31:24 / Allied) Transen: yellow is right
(31:26 / Allied) JaySmith: we die with wood on
(31:26 / Allied) chopper: risk it
(31:26 / Allied) Transen: go?
(31:30 / Allied) JaySmith: go
(31:35 / Allied) 257er: if u send i ban u
(31:36 / Allied) 257er: for sure
(31:39 / Allied) 257er: u did it
(31:39 / Allied) JaySmith: go send
(31:39 / Allied) Transen: send
(31:39 / Allied) 257er: u force send
(31:39 / Allied) JaySmith: we will send
(31:39 / Allied) Transen: go


I even warned him not to force the send when we dont have a team decision multiple times but he ignored it all and still forced it!

Spoiler!
(32:00 / All) da_pwnerer: u shouldve all refused to send
(32:05 / All) da_pwnerer: vs 2 tok 1 tb 4 heal
(32:29 / All) |c00e67300Zy: ff now?
(32:33 / All) da_pwnerer: well toks leaks send only
(32:36 / All) da_pwnerer: tb leaks a bit
(32:39 / All) da_pwnerer: i leak half
(32:41 / All) da_pwnerer: 3 heal max
(32:44 / All) BBQTV: ff it
(32:46 / All) BBQTV: you lost
(36:49 / All) da_pwnerer: but anyway
(36:54 / All) da_pwnerer: even if u all sent 15
(36:55 / All) da_pwnerer: we live ez
(36:58 / All) da_pwnerer: it was just a bad call
(37:04 / All) da_pwnerer: nigga
(37:07 / All) da_pwnerer: we 4 heal
(37:09 / All) da_pwnerer: how we die?
(37:14 / All) da_pwnerer: we have 2 toks
(37:16 / All) da_pwnerer: 1 tb
(37:16 / All) BBQTV: you deserve to lose
(37:20 / All) da_pwnerer: there arent gonna be 50 leaks
(37:29 / All) da_pwnerer: tok = leak kraken behe demon
(37:30 / All) BBQTV: you think we die 15 so you deserve to lose
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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Jay- » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:42 pm

Considering we would die 15 was a legit send. Also i would like to report this player for refusing to send with team (on 15 he was the only one that did not send ) and massive flame all game long. First time we discussed sending 15 was 3/1 for , after he started to rage and flame and actually managed to change pink's mind. Still we were yes for a send. Still we went send and he still refused to send. Guess that qualify for a ban. The mass flame is like the cherry on top, bigger ban i guess.
Ps. Not the first time i see him having such an toxic behavior .

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Tmaen » Sun Apr 23, 2017 4:58 pm

Jay- wrote:Considering we would die 15 was a legit send. Also i would like to report this player for refusing to send with team (on 15 he was the only one that did not send ) and massive flame all game long. First time we discussed sending 15 was 3/1 for , after he started to rage and flame and actually managed to change pink's mind. Still we were yes for a send. Still we went send and he still refused to send. Guess that qualify for a ban. The mass flame is like the cherry on top, bigger ban i guess.
Ps. Not the first time i see him having such an toxic behavior .


Please post the corresponding Timestamps of the teamvote you claimed it was 3/1 for a 15 send. Cause this is just a lie and should even be punished as well!

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Jay- » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:00 pm

PS.2 Admin please read the whole chat from lvl 13-17. It's more than relevant for this case .(min 26 or so till the end of the game)
Still the idea remains. Refusing to send 15 with team .
Massive flame.
Not really relevant if it was the correct call ( considering we send just 3 and there were 3 demons mid guess it was the correct call , also we were all 3k wood.) or not that guy deserves a hard ban
31:50 / Allied) 257er: see u fucking
(31:51 / Allied) 257er: stupid
(31:52 / Allied) 257er: cunt
(31:54 / Allied) 257er: look
(31:55 / Allied) 257er: look
just a small example of this kid's attitude for his team .

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Tmaen » Sun Apr 23, 2017 5:10 pm

Jay- wrote:PS.2 Admin please read the whole chat from lvl 13-17. It's more than relevant for this case .(min 26 or so till the end of the game)
Still the idea remains. Refusing to send 15 with team .
Massive flame.
Not really relevant if it was the correct call ( considering we send just 3 and there were 3 demons mid guess it was the correct call , also we were all 3k wood.) or not that guy deserves a hard ban
31:50 / Allied) 257er: see u fucking
(31:51 / Allied) 257er: stupid
(31:52 / Allied) 257er: cunt
(31:54 / Allied) 257er: look
(31:55 / Allied) 257er: look
just a small example of this kid's attitude for his team .


Obvious i was mad of you but still use !ignore and everything is fine trying to ban me cause of this is ridiculous. I can show you some real "flame" games which were declined to be punished. Also this has nothin to do with my Banrequest when you want me to get banned cause of this trifle open your own Banrequest and stop spamming mine.

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby AmnoN » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:00 pm

@tmaen No... you should not be forced to use !ignore on a teammate because they cannot control themselves. If @jay- submits a ban request separate of this one, you will be banned for that.

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Jay- » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:05 pm

So in conclusion i dont get ban and he will after i submit a report. Ok I will do that then. Thx.

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby AmnoN » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:45 pm

@jay- I have not reviewed yet. I will in a bit.

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Tmaen » Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:56 pm

AmnoN wrote:@tmaen No... you should not be forced to use !ignore on a teammate because they cannot control themselves. If @jay- submits a ban request separate of this one, you will be banned for that.


Interesting if this is enough for a ban then this will be a long night for me today, I guess i will get 98% of ENT-Players banned from my history.

But also other ENT Staff thinking differently so maybe you can clear that for me cause there are tons of such threads:
  1. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=108736
  2. viewtopic.php?f=24&t=109265

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby AmnoN » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:24 pm

@tmaen It has since been discussed amongst staff and determined that using !ignore on a teammate is not a viable way around a ban.

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Tmaen » Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:43 pm

AmnoN wrote:@tmaen It has since been discussed amongst staff and determined that using !ignore on a teammate is not a viable way around a ban.


@AmnoN Got the point now, thanks for clarifying. I just wait for your review, its not like i flamed him 24/7 nonstop

P.S: Does this implicitly mean i am not allowed to !ignore my teammates when they flame?

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby Im_Halp » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:19 pm

@tmaen

what it means is you can report your teammates for flame. You can also not respond to what they said,although I know how difficult it may as may people in this game enjoy baiting others.

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Re: [LTD] JaySmith@europe.battle.net

Postby AmnoN » Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:30 am

Denied. It was 2-2 on the send decision. Also, green was the only one who did not send.


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