To prove I am not insane

[GodSaveTheQQs]

Some of us are Jub

[Jazzy3113]

https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12260802/

This one should be enough to shut down this thread.

In order -

9/10 players in game. Taz moves down to dodge me. Dont blame him. Anyone on the server could join to replace him on my team. Astros, Frank, ifck. Even a normal but average player like zika. Nope, I get planaria.

Planaria feeds all game. What else is new.

We are holding our own. I somehow, as 700 elo, do ok in mid vs husk taz. We are slightly ahead.

Then.

Riki randomly decides to solo feed. Like 3 times totally out of the blue.

As enemy raxes mid, 1200 elo jugg farms the ENTIRE RAX FIGHT. This is not planaria. This is a 1200 elo player farming as the enemy team is raxing.

And the coup de grace. Riki again solo feeds for no reason, ok hes ruining so w/e. But this time, axe runs out to then die solo to "save" riki. The only issue is riki is dead by the time axe gets there vs the entire enemy team.

Look, I admit that people now troll and ruin for me cause i have complained so much. I am not arguing i dont deserve it. I am just trying to establish that these things do happen.

Taz dodges me cause im 700 elo. The new player to join is 600 elo planaria who promptly feeds all game. My 1200 elo jugg farms during crucial rax defense for no reason. Riki plays normal all game, then feeds solo 3 times towards end. And the final teammate axe, decides to also solo feed at end for no reason, then admits it was a mistake. Like duh.

I mean i admit some of it is trolling that i bring upon myself. But if u watch the game, I did nothing to provoke jugg to not defend or riki to solo vs an enemy who had a gem or force axe to throw at the end.

And what is my recourse. The few times I have taken the collective advice of the community (to make a new account and not chat much) within a few days someone posts my new account name here, and the trolling picks up again.

Wtf can i do at this point?

I know its a bitch to watch a random replay you did not play in, but watch the game. I took advice of going support. Just quickly watch.

I chose nort to support the team. I take mid vs a skilled husk and dont totally ruin mid. I get scepter. I get sheep. I am the only one on the team that bought obs wards. Every single one of my deaths was near a teammate. I did not solo ever. I have the most combined kills and assists, showing I didnt hide in the back or wasnt involved in the team fights.

I didnt linkens. I went sheep. The download button says I was level 13, but watch replay. I was level 20.

Please, if anyone has time, tell me wtf else I could have done. I said nothing to make riki feed or jugg not defend or axe to feed at the final fight. I am basically the same elo as planaria and look how we each played this game and our final scores.

I just wanna have fun like everyone else. I dont understand why people cant just play normal when on my team.

I choose destro to avoid these frustrations. If i went destro, i wouldnt be mad my team threw. But everyone is saying dont pick destro and try. But look what happens why i try. No one plays normal but me.

I swear im not lying this time or trying to obtuse. Watch the replay at fast speed.

Planaria feeds, thats plain to see my final score. But watch how we tell riki to stop randomly walking around vs a gem. He kept dying solo. Watch as the enemy raxes mid. Jugg farms top lane for 25 seconds, then walks back with no tp. And watch the final fight.

After we rax, instead of sitting in base. Riki wanders out against gem and dies. Then axe runs to dead riki for some reason and dies.

I swear i am not making this up.

[smolboi]

Continue to place wards
Carry tp and actively support other lanes when theyre being ganked (you dont do this)
Gank other lanes without needing to be told to(you dont do this)
Anticipate having to defend towers and raxes without needing to be told to(you dont do this)
Stop banishing heroes and saving them from focus fire

Stop complaining in game, I think this is the most important part.

You are terrible for team morale. Everyones focus shifts away from the game because of how ridiculously never ending it is.

You know what would stop the complaining? Doing the things i listed to help stop the problem before it starts.

Tp and react to a SB ganking your solo, put the ward up that allows allies proper reaction time, be the ally that ganks to provide your solo with an advantage. Theres a cascade effect to playing proactively. You diminish your opponents abilities to outfarm you, or stay level by being the team that proactively attempts to gain an advantage instead of always being the team reacting to being outnumbered.

This is the biggest problem in ENT, you all think that you need x minutes to farm to get ready for late game but dota isnt about an agreement between ten people to be passive for x amount of time before you attempt to gain an advantage.

The first instance a team can gain an advantage is by picking heroes that work well together, therefore, full stop, quit picking destroyer. You do more harm than you do good, youre too trigger happy using banish and it tilts people when you accidentally save enemies. Start picking better heroes.

Second instance to gain an advantage is at the 30 second mark to fight over coin. Why arent you at the coin every single game?

The devil is in the details.

Ill give you my honest truth :

When youre on my team and were against players who I know are decent, and I get ganked mid once by sb, and theres no reaction, and then it happens again, and theres no reaction, youve lost me at minute 5. In order for you to win the game, you need the person playing this role to succeed, why isnt it on your list of priorities to do everything you can to ensure that happens? I straight up will dial it in when players like you prove you dont care enough, ill launch poker tables on my second screen and I wont give an ounce of thought to trying to turn it around.

For what? For the 20 minute mark to come around, for passive players like you to be 1-0-0 having done nothing but farm the gold counter while their solo is 5-1 and their sb is 3-1 to save me? We now have a math problem on our hands, one we cant overcome. I know you wont make a difference to the extent where you can turn the game around so why would I invest emotionally in making it work with guys like you?

You ask why sometimes a 1300 rated player might be shit on your team, maybe we all feel a little bit the way i described feeling on your team. Instead of constantly looking outward, look in the mirror and ask yourself if youre doing everything you should be doing to support the good players on your team.

And then when youre against me, i know that if i shit all over your noobs youll cry until youre blue in the face and i get to laugh at you. And I find that incredibly funny. Do you see how youre contributing to the lopsidedness of the equation?

You tilt me into not caring, not because of anything youre actively doing, but because of everything you dont do as an ally. And then when im against you i know if i pick a hero that will destroy your mid or make his life hell, you wont react and I get to reap the benefit of making that player give up at minute 5.

BE PROACTIVE if you want to be someone people want to play with.

[smolboi]

This thought needed its own post because it deserves to be highlighted.

To all of you out there who take on a secondary role to the main carry and want to play your role correctly, watch blueneme and desertisland play.

That is how you play if you want other people to want to play with you. They do EVERYTHING you could ask of a side lane player.

Blueneme is best at it in my opinion. Dude is just on the ball.

[Jazzy3113]

This thought needed its own post because it deserves to be highlighted.

To all of you out there who take on a secondary role to the main carry and want to play your role correctly, watch blueneme and desertisland play.

That is how you play if you want other people to want to play with you. They do EVERYTHING you could ask of a side lane player.

Blueneme is best at it in my opinion. Dude is just on the ball.

But my post/thread is not arguing your points. I know I could play better. I am not arguing that. I am simply pointed the innumerable times i get fucked over. More than randomness dictates.

Look at your advice post. I agree I could tp or gank or be proactive. I am not arguing I have lots of room to improve. I am arguing the fact people like you always play below your elo.

You get ganked a few times and lose mid since I do not tp tp help. And then you lose interest. Fair enough.

But against me, you would lose mid but keep trying. Never give up. Keep looking for a way back.

Against me, zika virus plays like blueneme. For me, he plays like master pain.

Against me, you carry as spec. For me, you fed as nort.

Against me, the racist dude who uses nazi names carries as LC. For me, he feeds as weaver.

But you kind of addresses this by saying you purposely play hard against me for the lolz.

I have tried making new names. And I have also tried not starting out games toxic. It doesn't work for me. I have kept my mouth shut the first 30 mins and someone still goes 0-10 and triggers me.

You think I like playing destro? It gets boring as F playing the same hero. But at least if I am destro and get a ruiner, i dont rage and can enjoy myself. Look at the most recent game i posted. They said please dont go destro. So i went nort and supported hard in a stack. And we are doing well, and then all of a sudden people start to solo feed and ruin.

I am telling you its on purpose man. Did you persude the replay at 10x speed? Did you see the riki and axe just randomly start to feed when we were up a rax? Im not lying and exaggerating like normal. This is what happened. And the other team never gave up either. If my team loses a rax, its all over, there is no try hard.

I play destro because I am tired of constant ruining. I get that its funny to annoy me, so dont complain when i default to learning destroy to combat the constant ruining of my games.

If not whining doesnt stop the ruiners, you tell me what does.

[EdteOfChaos2]

But at least if I am destro and get a ruiner, i dont rage and can enjoy myself.

Ironically, this same logic is likely why you get so many people playing Furion and other BS like that on your team; so they don't care as much when they lose.

How can you blame other people for "not trying" when you are consistently picking the hero you know that you won't win with? You are literally doing the thing that you accuse them of doing.

[smolboi]

Just played in a game where there were over 120 offensive instances in 40 minutes

We won with jazzy on our team, but he was apart of like 25 total?

He just doesnt get it. Im not posting advice in this thread anymore.

Ive armed him with the knowledge of what it takes not to be hated and even with a roadmap he cant perform.

Lost cause boys.

[GodSaveTheQQs]

Welcome to the club. Welcome to Jazzyland.

[Jazzy3113]

Just played in a game where there were over 120 offensive instances in 40 minutes

We won with jazzy on our team, but he was apart of like 25 total?

He just doesnt get it. Im not posting advice in this thread anymore.

Ive armed him with the knowledge of what it takes not to be hated and even with a roadmap he cant perform.

Lost cause boys.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12261036

this is the game he is referring to. all game he was flaming me as as a level 23 destro at 6/4/12

meanwhile we had a level 18 husk at 9/14/9 that he said nary a word to.

That's right. I was 5 levels higher with more assists and important much less deaths. Yet all game hes flaming me and saying not a word to the feeder who melts in every fight. you see my point? He was not criticizing both of us, just me.

His point is i should play more support and help the team. Right?

The prior game was https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12261030

He was against me and tried as nec. That game he had a useless sand king, but he tried and won.

The game before was https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12261026

He took QoP just to fuck me. Purposely didnt go a carry.

Do you see my point? Sand king was just as useless as he claims I am. Yet why did he take a carry nec that game?

The fatal flaw in all this thinking is that by his logic, everytime he gets master or pegase or 009 or superballer or firefly or jub, he should fuck around right? But he doesnt do that.

He only fucks around with me. Think about that. He claims he doesnt try because i dont tp and help and whatever. Neither do all those other players. We all play bad, yet he only mails it in when on my team.

I keep referencing the game he ruined as nec since he never ever completely ruins, but the one time was on my team.

Do you see my point? If i am on the same level as master and godsaves and the other 700 elos, why does he try when on their team then? They dont help. They play like an NPC. So is it that only I get his worst effort?

[smolboi]

Master cooperates, as does jub, as does superballer, as does firefly, as does Godqq, as does 009. The only guy on that list that is as uncoachable as you is pegase. You are definitely not in the same tier as any of them.

I could tell a dude like firefly “hey bro youre sucking cock right now could you legit throw yourself at them and die so you absorb the focus fire?” And hell say “lol ya”

You were in an entire team fight yesterday where 8 of the 10 players died where you generated 1 assist with an aoe ult. You just dont do anything. Youre completely dead weight.

Youre criticizing me for going 10-7-19 on your team. So i helped create 29 offensive instances where a hero died to me or died due in part to a play I had something to do with and died 7 times which means everytime I died I contributed to 4 heroes on the other team dying, and that means I’m not trying on your team?

You have no game sense, you play like you feel your heroes pain when he gets hit, honestly man i can only go back to my original thoughts on all of this.

If after all the good will to help you improve people have tried to give you in this thread, you being unable to even attempt to change truly just means youre below average iq bordering on if not actually retarded.

You just have to be mentally slow at this point.

[Jazzy3113]

Master cooperates, as does jub, as does superballer, as does firefly, as does Godqq, as does 009. The only guy on that list that is as uncoachable as you is pegase. You are definitely not in the same tier as any of them.

I could tell a dude like firefly “hey bro youre sucking cock right now could you legit throw yourself at them and die so you absorb the focus fire?” And hell say “lol ya”

You were in an entire team fight yesterday where 8 of the 10 players died where you generated 1 assist with an aoe ult. You just dont do anything. Youre completely dead weight.

Youre criticizing me for going 10-7-19 on your team. So i helped create 29 offensive instances where a hero died to me or died due in part to a play I had something to do with and died 7 times which means everytime I died I contributed to 4 heroes on the other team dying, and that means I’m not trying on your team?

You have no game sense, you play like you feel your heroes pain when he gets hit, honestly man i can only go back to my original thoughts on all of this.

If after all the good will to help you improve people have tried to give you in this thread, you being unable to even attempt to change truly just means youre below average iq bordering on if not actually retarded.

You just have to be mentally slow at this point.

Did you see the game replay I posted above prior to your response?

I took your advice. I did not go destro, teamplayed, warded. I followed all your advice to a tee.

https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12260802/

Went sheep over linkens. Went scepter. Took mid. Had highest number of assists and kills.

Do you see?

What fucking good did it do me? Every single teammate played below their elo. EVERY SINGLE ONE.

If you watch the replay on fast speed, and give me advice on what I could have done better or differently, I will follow it.

But be honest, and if you agree I played well and followed your advice and still got fucked over, please admit it.

[EdteOfChaos2]

I should do the opposite of Jazzy and start posting all his good luck games.

https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/game/12261120/ 20/1/10 carried him with amazing supports. He ends 3/4/5 with nonsense items (euls and bloodstone were his only items in a 45 minute game)

[RichardCoffee]

I'm starting to believe there could be something to Jazzy's theories. Of course his core theories are bullshit, but there could be something to the idea of some people playing a little differently, whether consciously or unconsciously, depending on knowing who's account is who's.

Never mind about a longer post.

[Jazzy3113]

I'm starting to believe there could be something to Jazzy's theories. Of course his core theories are bullshit, but there could be something to the idea of some people playing a little differently, whether consciously or unconsciously, depending on knowing who's account is who's.

Never mind about a longer post.

That's all im saying. I do not think someone blatantly ruins (except recent games by smolboi when on my team, but he announces hes gonna ruin and then does so its obvious like the nort feed or the wisp feed games), but 100% people simply ruin or dont try or whatever when on my team. Look at the examples I post, its right there.

Sure, once in awhile someone feels like trying and I manage a win. But for the most part, people just dont make an iota of an effort on my team. Even when I ignore everyone and dont talk, still ruin.

Let's look at the last two games i played. Literally last game, so not trying to cherry pick.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12261177

Have you ever seen 888 go 0/7 or firefly go 2/12? 888 tried to initiate as sk, but firefly was pure ruin and feeder. We had literally no chance, as he continuously fed solo and was just pure garbage. I am not saying he is a pro, but he can certainly not be a pure ruin and feed. And he does this constantly to me. I have no chance when he is on my team.

So a normal person says, hey firefly sucks. Its not personal jazzy. He is a trash can every game. right?

Very next game he is against me. https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12261180

He goes 8-8 as LC and does the best on his team.

Do you see? that kind of skill delta cannot be random. It has to be on purpose. You cannot go 2-12 and worst on team to 8-8 and best on team in one game. It's impossible for that to be variance. It has to be pureposeful.

I simply picked the last two games I played, i did not go cherry picking results to paint a picture to frame my narrative.

Thanks for at least admitting people ruin when on my team. As to whether it is conscious or unconscious, or to what is the true motivation for ruining, we can debate that. But it happens every game.

Unless I play above my elo and am the top 1 or 2 players on my team, I simply am unable to get a win. Whereas players like zika and grimly and whoever, they get carried all the time and dont have to play well to win.

[MR_Nimbuss]

jazzy .. YOU DON"T TP WHEN MID OR OTHER LANES ARE GETTING GANKED..You show no response but keep bickering away like a BIOTCH.. The only thing you do decent is baiting.. If you can escape, that opens up for your team to clean up since the opposing team wasted their spells on you..
You lose majority of the time when you come clean up because you can't carry for shit! Reason why you always fucken lose and bring down better players with you. You are intentionally ruining the game to just make a case about how unlucky you are. I see you do that shit all the fucken time and respond with "I'm 700 elo" .. Bullshit ass bitch..

I don't agree with smolboi alot but i agree with what he said.. You really have no sense and is borderline retarded..
You have no game sense, you play like you feel your heroes pain when he gets hit, honestly man i can only go back to my original thoughts on all of this.

If after all the good will to help you improve people have tried to give you in this thread, you being unable to even attempt to change truly just means youre below average iq bordering on if not actually retarded.

You just have to be mentally slow at this point."