To prove I am not insane

[smolboi]

in this post by merex i got fucking sent when i read this part

Must be so demoralizing to read that, he talks as though its a given youre terrible

in other words, "we all know jazzy is terrible, but even someone who isnt terrible like jazzy would probably die there"


After reviewing both replays against Jazzy, here is what I'll say -

It's not enough. The first replay where Neru dies in the forest when the team is pushing top is just the misfortune of a well operating team with gem flanking a solo entity. Doesn't mean he was ruining, rather he came into PL's sight lines while being invis and within a couple of seconds identified by the team, as slark had gem, got killed/flank. There was little to react on it, I doubt even a highly skilled DotA player running neru could've stopped that.



LOL

[RichardCoffee]

in this post by merex i got fucking sent when i read this part

Must be so demoralizing to read that, he talks as though its a given youre terrible

in other words, "we all know jazzy is terrible, but even someone who isnt terrible like jazzy would probably die there"


After reviewing both replays against Jazzy, here is what I'll say -

It's not enough. The first replay where Neru dies in the forest when the team is pushing top is just the misfortune of a well operating team with gem flanking a solo entity. Doesn't mean he was ruining, rather he came into PL's sight lines while being invis and within a couple of seconds identified by the team, as slark had gem, got killed/flank. There was little to react on it, I doubt even a highly skilled DotA player running neru could've stopped that.



LOL

Jazzy is a Wall Street millionaire.

As an outside observer, am I supposed to start praising you in your basement, and hating him now? Let me clap a few times and pat you on the shoulder that you claim to be better in a videogame than him.

[Jazzy3113]

You know whats funny. Everyone here says I am paranoid and I make up that people ruin, etc. Even though i post game after game after game of high elo players playing horrible then on my team, and low elo players completely feeding.

Now check out this ban request I was absolutely forced to make: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=149051

A completely impartial 3rd party Mod agreed it was a pure ruin.

So can someone be paranoid when the paranoia is justified?

Smolboi took mid as nort and went 0-5 and ruined.

Trader has carried teams. For me? It is a constant stream of 0-10 as lesh when taking mid.

Against me no_rules never gives up. For me he quits in the first 5 mins.

Superballer? Always picks sniper on my team.

The guy who always plays husk? For me its constant solo push into suicide.

The racist nazi who teamplays against me and always feeds on my team.

Or caffery just being an awful pudge when against me hes normal.

Or pay goes meepo against and carries, but for me is constantly solo and feeds.

Or against me hidan goes husk but for me goes dagon bh.

It is like this with everyone.

Peruse though my last few games. I simply do not win unless I get rated on hermits scale as at leas above average for the most part. Meaning no one ever carries me, I have to play well.

In fact, lets look at the very last game I played. Just to make a point. https://h3rmit.gr/stats_ent/game/12264414

Look at this game. I am BY FAR the lowest elo on my team. THE LOWEST ELO.

My final score is Level 24, 12-1-23. That is right. I went 12-1-23.

I was the highest level hero on my team. I had by far the most kills + assists and the least deaths. So there is absolutely no argument I was the best player on my team. The other 4 high elo players on my team were absolute dogshit as usual.

So how can this be? How can a 700 elo player be far and away the best player on his team? Because it is a team game. And I constantly get dogshit effort from people. You would complain to if literally every single game you played well and never get any effort from anyone.

You think I like playing OD? You think its fun playing a glass cannon that no one plays? But what other strategy can I employ to make people try?

The most common advice I got was to not talk in game. When I did that for a week, nothing changed. Still got ruiners.

I was told to play under a new name. I was discovered in 5 games. What options do I have? I complain because I have no other outlet when people ruin. I have no other recourse. I would love a cohesive team where everyone tries like you all get.

But it never, ever happens.

Just look at the very last game I posted. How can you explain it away? I am the worst rated player on my team. Have you ever seen master pain carry like that? Be honest.

I again repeat my refrain, how is it that of the group of perpetual 700 elo and below players on this site, absolutely none of them are the very best (defined as being the highest level, most kills, least deaths and most assists on a team) in a game, yet I sometimes am. How is that possible? If you can post even one game where superballer or nubi dubi or pegase or muse or masterpain or planaria or hellboy has carried their team, I will not say a word.

I can post games where i was the best.

So how can that be? How can I have such low elo as players who never ever carry or do the best?

Logically, it means I get teammates who refuse to try.

[mk4r32]

What's so hard to understand here? You bring down the team's morale the minute you open your mouth with the all chats.

You hold a weird grudge over one game and you nag about it into the next 100 games starting the most obnoxious arguments.

Why wouldn't they play hard against you? What goes around comes around.

Expect to get shitted on if you run your mouth and just accept it.

You would've complained so hard about Mars failing if you were on this team with him.

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 264505.w3g

It's a 5 on 5 team game, they can't carry EVERY game.

You should really learn how to play from xpong / winning_mindset. You don't gotta be overly zesty with it but he does a good job in pure team game and he takes one game at a time without flaming anyone.

BTW, I take back what I said about superballer. He's back to his old habits.

[smolboi]

I lose every day, theres no point in bringing up 1 game that happened 2 months ago. I might be the reason my team loses 1 every 250 games

I’m the reason my team wins like 4 of every 10 games, and i have a hand in games being competitive 9.9 of every 10 games.

You are the reason your team wins 1 of every 1000 games. You have a hand in games being competitive 1 of every 10 games and have a hand in why your team lost in 9 of every 10 games.

Do you see how the numbers make it so that I don’t have to take anything you say seriously? I could be complete ass on your team and the data would still state it’s your fault

[EdteOfChaos2]

I was told to play under a new name. I was discovered in 5 games. What options do I have? I complain because I have no other outlet when people ruin. I have no other recourse. I would love a cohesive team where everyone tries like you all get.

You got discovered immediately because you kept flaming the way you always did and played your same heroes.
No way to know if you stop talking + play something else.

[smolboi]

Jorbzy3113

[dumpster_]

What's the highest number of people that you saw ignore jazzy in a game?
Pretty sure I saw at least 4 (all of his allies LOL), and probably 5 or 6.
Anyone got better?

[Cards2016]

You know whats funny. Everyone here says I am paranoid and I make up that people ruin, etc. Even though i post game after game after game of high elo players playing horrible then on my team, and low elo players completely feeding.

Now check out this ban request I was absolutely forced to make: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=149051

A completely impartial 3rd party Mod agreed it was a pure ruin.

Or against me hidan goes husk but for me goes dagon bh.

Complains about me going BH with him (I have higher win % with BH than Husk), right after sharing a game where I went husk with him lol. Jazzy is a complete troll, love it.

[Jazzy3113]

https://entgaming.net/openstats/game/12264850/

Ok, this is a serious question. Forget my usual spiel of how I am the lowest elo and end up highest hero level and most kills and assists. Ive accepted that will never convince any of you i am better than my elo and am a target for trolls.

Why do people seem to be more annoyed and disgusted with my complaining vs the actual ruiner?

Ofc i complained this game, but i still played hard and did the best. Coto fed and ruined from min 1. Yet no once cared he fed and put the game out of reach in the first 10 mins. People seemed more annoyed I asked if we could consider kicking the feeder.

Yes, complaining is annoying. But wouldn't you prefer someone complaining and trying, vs someone clearly feeding on purpose? Isn't whining the lesser of two evils?

I admit whining is annoying. But its never whining and quitting or feeding. Isnt the actual game ruiner more annoying than me complaining about the ruiner?

Why do people absolutely hate when i complain someone is feeding more than the actual feeder?

Legit serious question. I admit whining is annoying. But are you not even more annoyed at a player like coto in this game for ruining the entire game for 9 other people after we waited a long time for game to start? Isnt the feeding more upsetting than me complaining about the feeding?

[smolboi]

You do nothing 90% of games. It’s annoying when the complaining comes from you. Thats it. That’s as complicated as this riddle gets.

There are like 10 people in ent who have the right to complain about allies. Youre not one of them. Not even close. Because you do nothing nearly every game.

You would be more useful if you closed your eyes and launched yourself at the enemy over and over again and just gave the rest of your allies an opportunity to react to your blind feeding over attempting to put you to use in a meaningful way.

NOT FEEDING does not equal PLAYING WELL. Ive told you this before, you, along with 90% of people in ent play with no agency. You guys need to be told what to do, because if someone didn’t tell you what to do, you’d be in neutrals all game until you were all maxed out and level 25. It’s like playing with infants.

Just shut up! Going forward just act as though you understand you have not earned the right to criticize anyone.

Let’s create a new metric for you to analyze your gameplay through. Just for shits, fuck kills, fuck deaths, fuck assists, fuck warding, fuck ganking, fuck wins, fuck losses, fuck elo. Forget all of it.

The new metric we’re going to use for you to analyze your gameplay is going to be “number of times per game you are the last person to make it to a team fight” divided by the number of team fights total. If you find yourself regularly being the only player walking away from a team fight with cooldowns and full hp, that is now when alarm bells should be going off with a loud siren repeating FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE in your head.

Maybe if you realize through that metric how fucking inert of a player you are you’ll start playing with some agency and people will stop hating you.

You SUCK

[Jazzy3113]

You do nothing 90% of games. It’s annoying when the complaining comes from you. Thats it. That’s as complicated as this riddle gets.

There are like 10 people in ent who have the right to complain about allies. Youre not one of them. Not even close. Because you do nothing nearly every game.

You would be more useful if you closed your eyes and launched yourself at the enemy over and over again and just gave the rest of your allies an opportunity to react to your blind feeding over attempting to put you to use in a meaningful way.

NOT FEEDING does not equal PLAYING WELL. Ive told you this before, you, along with 90% of people in ent play with no agency. You guys need to be told what to do, because if someone didn’t tell you what to do, you’d be in neutrals all game until you were all maxed out and level 25. It’s like playing with infants.

Just shut up! Going forward just act as though you understand you have not earned the right to criticize anyone.

Let’s create a new metric for you to analyze your gameplay through. Just for shits, fuck kills, fuck deaths, fuck assists, fuck warding, fuck ganking, fuck wins, fuck losses, fuck elo. Forget all of it.

The new metric we’re going to use for you to analyze your gameplay is going to be “number of times per game you are the last person to make it to a team fight” divided by the number of team fights total. If you find yourself regularly being the only player walking away from a team fight with cooldowns and full hp, that is now when alarm bells should be going off with a loud siren repeating FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE FAILURE in your head.

Maybe if you realize through that metric how fucking inert of a player you are you’ll start playing with some agency and people will stop hating you.

You SUCK

What is interesting about your observation is that this is what I was told a few months ago.

People said look you cant pick NA and run around invis and just KS. That is why your score is always 5-2-0. It is a good score but you're not helping. Your lack if assists is telling.

Now I say its not just about kills, but kills plus assists. And now your saying kills + assists doesn't matter, cause you always arrive late?

No one is saying score is the end all be all, but when I post games where I am highest level and most kills and least deaths AND most assists, I am unclear how that is not impactful.

So i change to advice, somehow score is never relevant. its not some random metric I cant measure.

and look at very next game

coto the ruiner goes 14/13/18


LOL

[smolboi]

I read your circumstantial evidence and I raise you with a post i made a few pages back.

There was a game where my team was absolutely running yours over, and we started typing so much trolling you that we found ourselves in a spot where we started losing, and I attributed your teams turnaround to your witch doctor having landed a couple of great ults almost completing a comeback and I gave credit where credit was due, citing that I had even shut my mouth in game because I was embarassed I was about to lose to you after mouthing off as I usually do.

You can scroll back and read it, im sure people subscribed to your content remember such a post. It’s the only one giving you credit in this sea of shit being flung your way.

I digress, what happened in that game?

Despite all the fantastic things you did to get your team completely back in the game, there was a fight at roshan for the soul of the game. It all hinged on everyone in the game performing their role to decide the ultimate winner.

And despite the utmost importance of this fight, who was the only person in a game of 10 not present? The person who played such a pivotal role in the reversal of fortune in the game. Spoiler, it was you.

9 people fought, 50 minutes into a game where you were responsible for turning the tide, and it is again you, and you alone, who couldn’t manage to get there. We rush your base take two sides, tiny violin, non stop jazzy tears.

Even when you do well, you have something to do with the direct result being a loss. You just do not understand this game, and it’s evidenced over and over again by you being the loudest guy in every room when you haven’t earned the right to speak. It boils down to the exact same thoughts i shared in my first post a few months ago.

You lack self awareness and it pisses people off to listen to you. So on behalf of everyone who cares enough about this game to tolerate you on a daily basis :

Can you shut the fuck up?

So you might rebuttal with, Smolboi, why is my evidence circumstantial, and yet yours is not? Thats a great question Jazzy, and the reason is because I have been playing with you for almost 33% of my life, and I have almost no memory of you winning a game for me, but I have almost daily memories of you contributing to losing them for me.

When we win it’s either because I got the job done for us in conjunction with an ally or two of ours, or it was a complete wipe out because the other team was full of planarias and hellboybattles and never stood a chance. But it’s never me walking away from a game saying “damn if it wasn’t for Jazzy being my trusty number 2 in that game we would’ve lost!”

When we lose, it’s because both teams had players who aren’t completely braindead and the difference is often someone like you being apathetic to the game because you expected to be babied to the finish line and when it doesn’t happen all you do is type in all chat about how im sabotaging you.

There are 2-3 guys that still play who can win games on their own. They are Astros, Frank, and ifuck. Nobody else in this league is good enough to get it done regardless of what their team does. That’s the simple truth. You are asking a player pool of people who need favorable conditions to win everytime they do to be able to offset the absolute deadweight players like you, when we just simply do not have the skill to when both sides are equal.

I’ve tried to give you tips on how to improve, you’ve ignored them. I’ve tried to help you understand metrics that matter that aren’t quantifiable in stats (ganking, countersganking, warding, etc) you’ve ignored them. IN GAME, in REAL TIME, I have given you advice to help you make correct decisions, like not going linkens in a game where LINKENS DOESNT BLOCK ANYTHING, you’ve ignored me.

You are by far one of the stupidest mother fuckers in this league made so much more frustrating than any of the other stupid motherfuckers because you lack the ability to place yourself on the totem pole of ENT.

Be like one of the other deadweights and say nothing, or sprinkle in one or two sentences a game that at least illustrate that you realize you aren’t the main character.

Nothing that happens in game is happening TO YOU. You are an afterthought in every game. An irrelevant footnote.

You know what you are? You’re a spot in a game filled in an already depleted player pool of a 25 year old game.

The value you bring to ent is that you have a pulse and you’re willing to play. Aside from that you are in the same tier of player that shows up for the players like myself, who are actually good, to use for their entertainment on a daily basis.

So sit back and settle into your hellboybattle ass status and recognize you aren’t the dude you think you are and kindly

SHUT THE FUCK UP

[Jazzy3113]

@smolboi

last game i played by the way. take a guess who had the ruiner that no one kicked.

Anyways, no one is arguing your point.

I am not pro and cant carry.

My question is simple. Why do i keep getting the ruiners? Even when i dont complain.

And two, why do u find my complaining more annoying than the ruiners? I accept im annoying but at least i try. Isnt that acceptable vs someone like caffery in the game i posted above more annoying?

[smolboi]

Caffrey ruins games when he fails 5 times and gives up.
You cant even define what "trying" looks like because you just dont participate at all. You are as much of a passenger that currently exists in dota1. If your team does well enough for your output not to matter, youll put forth a respectable performance, if your team faces any type of adversity, you do nothing to help change that. Has it ever dawned on you that people wouldnt be defined as “ruiners” if you did something to help tip the scale in the favor of your team?

Define what ruining is in your mind, because from playing with you it seems as though if I happen to lose my lane on your team while you do nothing in another lane, I am ruining based on your definition because I tend to win my lane the majority of the time.

Let me offer you a paradigm shift you have never had to consider, when I am against Astros, he is a fantastic player and I know that. I know that if I go against him 1v1 and attempt to outmaneouver him, hes going to beat me 70% of the time, and im not putting my team in a position to win if im being beat 70% of the time. So what do I do to help tip the scale in my favor?

Ill ask someone who I think is reliable, who wont win the lane, but also wont go 0-5 in 10 minutes either to go face him, and ill pick a hero with the intention of launching myself at Astros relentlessly to hopefully stop him from building momentum. And so by being an active participant in the game, I've taken a situation where Astros is going to dominate us 70% of the time if I put myself in the role of trying to beat him heads up, and I've elevated the reliable player on my team by putting myself in a secondary role with the aim of cutting Astros down at the knees. Were probably going to win the game 50% of the time now under this new dynamic.

When you are a good player, people SHOULD target you, because thats how you stop good players from leaning on you until its too late. You have to stop their momentum. You never get acted upon with the type of urgency that good players do, because theres no need to cut you down at the knees. Everyone knows youre not going to do anything game changing. Its been established. So dont point the finger at good players having bad games because you dont know what its like to be the target of the other teams purposeful assault.

Having said that,

My definition of ruining is you not doing anything to help the lane thats getting beat.

So any time someone has a bad game on your team theyre ruining, but you never do anything to help change the dynamic of that losing lane, so why isnt your lack of urgency defined as ruining through apathy?

Why do you get absolved of the label of being a ruiner because you play the game with absolutely no agency or try to make anything happen?

Do you see how you’re one in the same as the people you accuse of ruining? Are you even capable of introspection?

I would rather have caffrey on my team tp, fail hook, get found and get fucked 10 times in 5 minutes over having to hear your stupid ass complain while acting like you have no control over future game.

For every failed attempt caffrey has, surely there is at least 1 success over the long term right? So is it possible that being able to parlay the successes into momentum for his team garners him some leeway for when he fails that the pool has decided youre not to be given?

Stylistically, you are one of the worst types of players. And I’ll offer two comparables that I profile the same as you, and I’ll tell you how they differ.

Slarkypick does the exact same thing as you. He never participates, hes always the last person to every fight and he’s always the only one walking away from a fight with cooldowns and full hp. The difference? He picks heroes that eventually make a difference. So while he’s just as braindead stylistically, if you wait 30 minutes, eventually his hero does something.

Another player I profile the exact same as you is Titanium75. He’s as useless as they come. He literally probably holds the all time record for most neutrals killed. The guy loves killing fucking neutrals, it’s the most amazing phenomenon. But when it’s time to start engaging, he shows up with dps on a hero that can silence. And hes so bad at trying to survive because he has the most retarded tunnel vision when he locks onto a target, that by default he ends up doing some type of damage.

Both of their skill sets are as brain dead as yours, but where they end up eventually is parlayable SOMETIMES into something positive.

By the time you get to a point where you could be useful, the wheels have fallen off because you dont shut the fuck up and you antagonize your team WHO YOU ARE NOT BETTER THAN, which reduces the effectiveness of everyone and makes them hostile and everyone turns on each other.

Maybe thats the answer? NA/OD are too difficult for the skillset you have. You are not good enough to be reliable in this role. Maybe you should start picking a hero that has no choice but to contribute something just by virtue of existing. Something like venomancer, or silencer, or maybe zues would stylistically suit you since you wont be ripped to shreds for kiting a fight.

If youre going to play a style where youre always last in, and your main priority is to survive instead of help, maybe a hero that contributes one thing that is currently stronger than the sum of what you try to do is the answer.

Imagine playing venomancer and getting your ult off, your team loses the fight and before the other team has a chance to accomplish anything they all die to your ult and youre the hero that saved the day. Doesnt that sound like a positive experience to you? I know that id certainly appreciate it. Because right now seeing you with na that’s a solo target hero, factoring in your fail rate makes it so that everytime you combo, you dont necessarily accomplish anything because you tend to miss, or your timing isnt good, it’s just too hard for you.

Or with od you tend to banish heroes at the wrong time and then you run, and you think you’re helping, I dont doubt that you do, if you hooked me up to a polygraph and asked me to answer sincerely whether or not I think you think you’re helping I would answer yes, and you’d see im being truthful. But you do not posess the skill it takes to properly gauge when it’s a good thing, and when it’s a bad thing.

Od has incredible dps, but you play it like it’s a behind the scenes support hero. A team doesnt need a dps hero playing like it’s a background support hero. It takes knowledge of how to position yourself, when to enter a fight, when to banish, when to run, so on and so forth. If your contribution to the majority of fights is banishing and running when a winner of that encounter has already been decided because you were late to the party. ITS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

You are one stupid fucking dude, bro I dont know what else to tell you.