Remaining known DotA 6.83d bugs

[Frank]

Its usually happening when teamfights occur so I been box selecting my hero again quickly but i think it just deselects my hero not sure 100 percent ill try to pay more attention next time it happens

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12256907

a game where it happened I even said it in chat at around 28 minutes elapsed time as earthspirit

[Hunter91]

That's... very weird. Nothing in relation to unit control should have been affected. All changes, including Lanaya were very specific and very limited, and none of them had any distant relation to unit control.

How would you describe this "loss of control"? What is it that you're experiencing?

Also, I should clarify the following: Warcraft III is actually a "turn-based" game. In each turn, each player can choose to do one action, or pass. Afaik, the bot latency is currently set to 100ms. Meaning that each "turn" has a duration of 100ms, and you're allowed to send up to 10 actions per second. Issuing more than one command in the same turn results in overwritting the previous one.

What you see on your screen is a playback of your past actions, after you send them to the bot, the turn ends, the bot publishes what actions were taken by everyone, and you receive them. The playback of your actions starts then.

Is there any chance that you're temporarily exceeding the allowed 600 apm?

P.S.: The only other possible explanation I can think of is that some mysterious and undocumented bug or limitation of WC3 1.30.1 was triggered by recent changes.

We could verify if it's latency related or not, by testing the map on a bot with a very low latency (e.g. 20ms) that can fully cover your high apm, if your ping can afford it.

I think it is due to a few skills that cause this including Astral Imprisonment from Obsidian Destroyer.

[h3rmit]

Its usually happening when teamfights occur so I been box selecting my hero again quickly but i think it just deselects my hero not sure 100 percent ill try to pay more attention next time it happens

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12256907

a game where it happened I even said it in chat at around 28 minutes elapsed time as earthspirit

Thanks for the detailed info! I watched that teamfight, been 27:00 and 28:00 in slow motion. Indeed, your hero gets deselected 3 times!

It's certainly not related to latency. It's right there, recorded in the replay and played all the same in everyone's Warcraft III.

I somehow need to find a way inspect the replay actions... DotaReplayManager doesn't seem to load WC3 1.30.1 replays.

[EdteOfChaos2]

Should be possible (and maybe even easy) to write a tool to parse replay actions based on this: http://w3g.deepnode.de/files/w3g_format.txt

I don't know if it will actually provide any valuable info though. It likely comes across as a 0x02 (Deselect) in the replay which wouldn't really explain anything. I think triggered deselects just look like deselects.

[dumpster_]

Bara's bash is triggered when he starts his attack instead of when the attack lands.
This on its own is pretty dumb and can be abused, but I don't know if it could be considered a bug.

But there's one interaction that I think does count as a bug.
Slark in ult is supposed to be untargettable.
When there are no other targets around except an ulted slark, bara will try autoattacking him.
Actually landing the attack isn't possible, so he keeps retrying, starting and cancelling many attacks.
The failed attacks can and do proc bash, often leading to permabash.

[h3rmit]

Bara's bash is triggered when he starts his attack instead of when the attack lands.
This on its own is pretty dumb and can be abused, but I don't know if it could be considered a bug.

But there's one interaction that I think does count as a bug.
Slark in ult is supposed to be untargettable.
When there are no other targets around except an ulted slark, bara will try autoattacking him.
Actually landing the attack isn't possible, so he keeps retrying, starting and cancelling many attacks.
The failed attacks can and do proc bash, often leading to permabash.

Wow, that's an interesting one.

I can understand why the approach of triggering bash at the beginning of the attack was taken by IceFrog. The initiation of an attack is an event triggered by your unit, while the actual landing of the attack is an event triggered by any other unit on the map. Attaching triggers to every unit on the map to check whether they received an attack is tricky and error-prone.

Changing how this mechanic works would somewhat nerf Bara, so I'd rather avoid changing it.

However, bashing an untargetable unit is definitely a bug and should be fixed. I'll add it to the list.

[EdteOfChaos2]

I can understand why the approach of triggering bash at the beginning of the attack was taken by IceFrog. The initiation of an attack is an event triggered by your unit, while the actual landing of the attack is an event triggered by any other unit on the map. Attaching triggers to every unit on the map to check whether they received an attack is tricky and error-prone.

This was the case back when the map was originally written, better systems exist now (Damage detection systems) to do this kind of thing. Axe's spin and Javelin's (1500 gold item) passive effect are other examples. I'd recommend just leaving it alone though, it's been that way for so long that everyone's used to it.

I believe the way they made Slark "untargetable" is by forcing enemies to issue stop when attacking Slark. This is a bit of a silly way of doing it. You can see this if you run into an enemy Sentinel tower with Slark - it repeatedly tries to attacks then stops. It also doesn't work for spells and Lina can ult Slark during his ult, if you click it before and then Slark ults its easiest to see this because of Lina's long cast animation.

[h3rmit]

This was the case back when the map was originally written, better systems exist now (Damage detection systems) to do this kind of thing. Axe's spin and Javelin's (1500 gold item) passive effect are other examples. I'd recommend just leaving it alone though, it's been that way for so long that everyone's used to it.

Indeed, unified damage detection systems exist in later maps. But 6.83d has remained in the past, as it was originally written.

I believe the way they made Slark "untargetable" is by forcing enemies to issue stop when attacking Slark. This is a bit of a silly way of doing it. You can see this if you run into an enemy Sentinel tower with Slark - it repeatedly tries to attacks then stops. It also doesn't work for spells and Lina can ult Slark during his ult, if you click it before and then Slark ults its easiest to see this because of Lina's long cast animation.

You were right on mark!

That is exactly how it has been implemented, I just checked.

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elseif GetTriggerEventId()==EVENT_PLAYER_UNIT_ATTACKED then
    if GetTriggerUnit()==P7I then
        call IssueImmediateOrder(GetAttacker(),"stop")
    endif

I'd recommend just leaving it alone though, it's been that way for so long that everyone's used to it.

I agree. I may just add an exception to Bara's Greater Bash to not proc on Slark during his Shadow Dance.

P.S.: Both Greater Bash and Shadow Dance's protection seem to be triggered by the same event EVENT_PLAYER_UNIT_ATTACKED, by the unit receiving the attack. Meaning means that the order in which they trigger is not guaranteed. Perhaps sometimes Bara's attack is stopped after triggering Greater Bash first.

Funnily, there's already an exception in place, protecting Roshan from getting affected by Greater Bash.

P.S.2: It looks like I can't reproduce it on my side.

When there are no other targets around except an ulted slark, bara will try autoattacking him.

I made a test setup with Bara waiting in the rune spot having skilled Greater Bash with 100% chance to bash on hit, then Slark coming in several times and either casting ulti there, or already having it on. I also removed the above "stop" command from Shadow Dance. Enemy towers were attacking Slark normally in his ulti.

In no case did Bara attempt to lift a finger. When Slark hit him, he turned his back and ran away instead. When I took control of Bara and tried to attack ground, Bara did nothing either. No hits, no bashes were triggered. Ofc, the moment Shadow Dance ran out, Slark got stun-locked by continuous bashes.

Do you happen to have a replay to check the circumstances under which I could reproduce it? Or do you remember any other detail I might be missing?

[EdteOfChaos2]

I made a test setup with Bara waiting in the rune spot having skilled Greater Bash with 100% chance to bash on hit, then Slark coming in several times and either casting ulti there, or already having it on. I also removed the above "stop" command from Shadow Dance. Enemy towers were attacking Slark normally in his ulti.

In no case did Bara attempt to lift a finger. When Slark hit him, he turned his back and ran away instead. When I took control of Bara and tried to attack ground, Bara did nothing either. No hits, no bashes were triggered. Ofc, the moment Shadow Dance ran out, Slark got stun-locked by continuous bashes.

Do you happen to have a replay to check the circumstances under which I could reproduce it? Or do you remember any other detail I might be missing?

You will need some sort of Truesight since the ult is also invisible - give him a gem or do it under a tower

[h3rmit]

You will need some sort of Truesight since the ult is also invisible - give him a gem or do it under a tower

Alright, that did it, thanks! Confirmed and fixed! An exception was added for Greater Bash to not trigger on Slark during Shadow Dance, just like it doesn't trigger on Roshan.

The fix will be included in the next version.

[h3rmit]

if you die under with the boat buff from kunkka ult and buyback instantly u go down to 1 hp very fast
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12255524 replay razors bbs and loses 99 percent of hp (55min)

I was able to reproduce it multiple times in single player, it looks like all delayed damage can come back even after death and revival

Not even death can save you from the hangover after getting drunk in CoCo's Rum

[h3rmit]

While testing Shrapnel, I noticed that half the animation still plays when you're out of charges, before the "No more charges" message is displayed. While it's only a visual glitch, I added it to the list.

The interference of Shrapnel with Last Word has already been fixed and will be released in the next version.

CoCo's rum delayed damage after reviving has been fixed as well.

I also noticed that Abaddon's skill description displays wrong damage values in its description in the Learn Skills screen. Probably a leftover from a previous version. Fixed that too.

[RichardCoffee]

In one of my games, there was a Sat that was having dust quickly dispelled on him far before it should disappear. Near him was a Tauren Chieftain ally casting spells.

can TC remove things like dust at level ~2? I don't play TC, and never saw it before. It happened twice. Not sure if it is a bug or hero feature.

[h3rmit]

No, there isn't such a spell. Tauren Chieftain's skills only affect enemies. Do you happen to have a replay so that we could inspect more closely what happened?

[RichardCoffee]

Thanks for reviewing in PMs.

Yes, it appeared to be some kind of weird bugged interaction going on. Unless some 2,000 ELO korean here knows some obscure way to remove dust at min 4 with pretty much nothing — it would seem it was indeed a bug. Thanks for adding it to your list.