Implement auto-vb and account restrictions?

[RichardCoffee]

I propose something like implementing auto-vb and restricting everyone to 2-3 active aliases at most.

These have been discussed before, but what's prompting me is there's now less players and more empty lobbies with no active games during the middle of the day. ENT is clearly dying, since this never once occurred before.

One cause is certainly this: A significant percentage of games are becoming stacks, with new accs giving off completely false ELO. E.g. to take more extreme examples: kunkka, frank, and astros all at about 1k elo when they are 1600, while mogu, deliveryguy, kingmaxim on a new acc, and others, are also giving off 1k elo when they are really 600. Furthermore some people do make new accs to just chill and troll others, e.g. the account 'megasalty'.

A significant amount of games, but not all, are becoming so predictable, that you only have yourself to blame if you stay in lobby. Late night is terrible in particular. The quality isn't there for anyone with half a brain to play, on either the stacked team or the non-stacked one.

Most people are now recognizing that and just leaving the lobbies.

ENT needs a small shake up or its going to die pretty soon as there has been an empty lobby in the middle of the day for over an hour a few times.

When these ideas were previously mentioned i was indifferent but now think it's a good idea for a bit of a mix-up. just putting the ideas out there

[Frank]

The real problem is everyone hates each other and lately its been more toxic than ever. I too flame sometimes but not to the extent yall are doing so lately. U wont fix the skill variance by vb I was on my rank 1 acc and did a few games at 1600+ of vb where it turns into me with 4 800 eloers on my team and people are still dodging in lobby. Just play the video game without the constant berating and all chat taunting people like mogul all day and you can slowly heal this place.

[RichardCoffee]

The real problem is everyone hates each other and lately its been more toxic than ever. I too flame sometimes but not to the extent yall are doing so lately. U wont fix the skill variance by vb I was on my rank 1 acc and did a few games at 1600+ of vb where it turns into me with 4 800 eloers on my team and people are still dodging in lobby. Just play the video game without the constant berating and all chat taunting people like mogul all day and you can slowly heal this place.

Right. At the same time, you also lost a few games in surprise. And then proceeded to rage...let's not pretend you're above the toxicity. Granted you win most games. And you were clearly above the toxicity at one point, but clearly not anymore, which is sad since you had set an example. It's like seeing someone you'd expect to be Babe Ruth turn out to be Jose Canseco. Just flat out disappointing tbh.

I wouldn't mind if they turned off chat as an experiment, since it's a vice of many here including myself to use it to instinctively respond.

I'm just trying to brainstorm ideas to make games more fun for everyone since activity is dying, and this is the only thing I can come up with that could actually have an effect. Being generous to someone like Mogu, who himself is the definition of toxicity, has nothing to do with any of it. And I know a lot of people have been dodging you lately (seen it with my own eyes), but trust me that is not the only reason I made this as I've seen other stuff going on in addition to that.

[GodSaveTheQQs]

I support the idea of maximum 2-3 accounts per player as i told in the past. It get to some point where you dont know to whom you are playing with. Its funny cause we all know each other for so long. Plus, someone making troll accounts over and over again just to destroy the game of certain individuals is annoying. After all why would someone have to make 20 new acc ? if is it for stats just reset it and start over with elo. I personally always like to know all the players in my team. Even if i dont like someone doesnt mean i wont play with him if the other three are ok. I mean, even if the matchup isnt good for me and i m playing against a stacked team at least i would like to know who am playing with.

[Frank]

Right. At the same time, you also lost a few games in surprise. And then proceeded to rage...let's not pretend you're above the toxicity. Granted you win most games. And you were clearly above the toxicity at one point, but clearly not anymore, which is sad since you had set an example. It's like seeing someone you'd expect to be Babe Ruth turn out to be Jose Canseco. Just flat out disappointing tbh.

I wouldn't mind if they turned off chat as an experiment, since it's a vice of many here including myself to use it to instinctively respond.

I'm just trying to brainstorm ideas to make games more fun for everyone since activity is dying, and this is the only thing I can come up with that could actually have an effect. Being generous to someone like Mogu, who himself is the definition of toxicity, has nothing to do with any of it. And I know a lot of people have been dodging you lately (seen it with my own eyes), but trust me that is not the only reason I made this as I've seen other stuff going on in addition to that.

Honestly idgaf what you think about my skill level. I myself don't care about my skill. As far as me being toxic, it takes a lot of for me to actually flame someone so you have to be doing something really stupid to get a reaction out of me. Most of what I flame people for is stuff they can use to improve themselves. Sadly they take it at face value and don't have the capacity to self reflect. Overall I don't consider myself above it but sure as hell don't contribute nearly as much to it as some of you guys.
A bit of competitive banter is fine, but you guys still holding grudges from 2 years ago with each other. That's the root of it. Honestly most here are scared to lose, which is a shit mentality to have. I welcome the chance to lose or to learn something its how you improve as a player. Sadly there's very few players left that do put up a challenge.

[RichardCoffee]

Right. At the same time, you also lost a few games in surprise. And then proceeded to rage...let's not pretend you're above the toxicity. Granted you win most games. And you were clearly above the toxicity at one point, but clearly not anymore, which is sad since you had set an example. It's like seeing someone you'd expect to be Babe Ruth turn out to be Jose Canseco. Just flat out disappointing tbh.

I wouldn't mind if they turned off chat as an experiment, since it's a vice of many here including myself to use it to instinctively respond.

I'm just trying to brainstorm ideas to make games more fun for everyone since activity is dying, and this is the only thing I can come up with that could actually have an effect. Being generous to someone like Mogu, who himself is the definition of toxicity, has nothing to do with any of it. And I know a lot of people have been dodging you lately (seen it with my own eyes), but trust me that is not the only reason I made this as I've seen other stuff going on in addition to that.

Honestly idgaf what you think about my skill level. I myself don't care about my skill. As far as me being toxic, it takes a lot of for me to actually flame someone so you have to be doing something really stupid to get a reaction out of me. Most of what I flame people for is stuff they can use to improve themselves. Sadly they take it at face value and don't have the capacity to self reflect. Overall I don't consider myself above it but sure as hell don't contribute nearly as much to it as some of you guys.
A bit of competitive banter is fine, but you guys still holding grudges from 2 years ago with each other. That's the root of it. Honestly most here are scared to lose, which is a shit mentality to have. I welcome the chance to lose or to learn something its how you improve as a player. Sadly there's very few players left that do put up a challenge.

I wasn't talking about your skill level at all...you seriously think I care about that? My comment was in response to you hypocritically talking about attitude.

When you're losing these days (in stark contrast to the past), you'll start talking crap, such as attempting to ban req Deliveryguy. The fact is you decided in that game to think you could 1v5 it with those allies as a randomed beastmaster, purposely didn't draw it, and then fell flat on your face. Then needed someone to blame (you should've picked out kingmaxim btw). Then in another game you repick saltysack's (of all people) Warlock on opposite team and repick into slark. List goes on. This is standard fare for this place but my point was just that this was gross to see coming from you.

Anyway, this topic really doesn't revolve around you even though you assumed it does. Done talking to you.

[Frank]

Im assuming that's the lc brq and it was for something fully justified. Anyways u brought my character into play here I was speaking generally about why these games aren't starting which does answer your topic?? anyways u seem butthurt carry on lil bro. Also provide ur aliases so we can see how non toxic you are

[MIKEJONES]

It's not the first time (and won't be the last) that one or two players basically hold the whole lobby hostage. Either they terrorize everyone or the game can't balance unless you magically split that person in two. The stuff you're complaining about - predictable games, constant tilting, empty lobbies is exactly what happens when a couple of Dota wizards are way ahead of the curve. It makes matches feel scripted and kills the vibe fast.

But let's flip it for a second: Picture Frank just... vanishes one day. Poof. Suddenly the 600 ELOs and their unbreakable confidence will rise again, arguing in chat about why feeding mid is "high-level macro" while the lobby turns into a clown convention. While he's still around, though? It's actually kind of a gift. The guy humbles people left and right, shatters egos, and (hopefully) makes a few realize how much they still have to learn about Dota. Arrogance gets reset, ignorance takes a hit. It's like a free reality check for the server. It's better than letting the 600 ELO philosophers run the show unchallenged.

What blows my mind is, after hundreds of games against Frank, most players still treat him like he's some lane creep they can ignore. No stategy with hero picks for counters, no TP ganks mid to shut him down, no plans to challenge him at all or buy that one item to starve his farm. Hell, even when he's stacked with total brain-dead zombies, your whole squad's job is simple: just relentlessly target him at all cost. But nope, they park their asses in lane farming scraps while the map melts away. I was in a game yesterday against frank where 3 of my team mates -random and it was amazing how they seem surprised why we started to get wrecked and begin yelling at each other. It's like watching noobs discover fire... and then trying to cook with it by setting themselves ablaze.

[RichardCoffee]

It's not the first time (and won't be the last) that one or two players basically hold the whole lobby hostage. Either they terrorize everyone or the game can't balance unless you magically split that person in two. The stuff you're complaining about - predictable games, constant tilting, empty lobbies is exactly what happens when a couple of Dota wizards are way ahead of the curve. It makes matches feel scripted and kills the vibe fast.

But let's flip it for a second: Picture Frank just... vanishes one day. Poof. Suddenly the 600 ELOs and their unbreakable confidence will rise again, arguing in chat about why feeding mid is "high-level macro" while the lobby turns into a clown convention. While he's still around, though? It's actually kind of a gift. The guy humbles people left and right, shatters egos, and (hopefully) makes a few realize how much they still have to learn about Dota. Arrogance gets reset, ignorance takes a hit. It's like a free reality check for the server. It's better than letting the 600 ELO philosophers run the show unchallenged.

What blows my mind is, after hundreds of games against Frank, most players still treat him like he's some lane creep they can ignore. No stategy with hero picks for counters, no TP ganks mid to shut him down, no plans to challenge him at all or buy that one item to starve his farm. Hell, even when he's stacked with total brain-dead zombies, your whole squad's job is simple: just relentlessly target him at all cost. But nope, they park their asses in lane farming scraps while the map melts away. I was in a game yesterday against frank where 3 of my team mates -random and it was amazing how they seem surprised why we started to get wrecked and begin yelling at each other. It's like watching noobs discover fire... and then trying to cook with it by setting themselves ablaze.

Part of the issue is not just that, e.g. frank joined, but also who is on the other team. Some teams just simply won't be able to cut it, whether against ifck, frank, or astros. Even when these horrid teams win it's often not satisfying, as it seems to be just due to a fluke or the opposite team not taking them seriously and they occasionally eke out a win.

But trust me this was not only about Frank and him owning games. Last night I played a few stacks that he had no involvement in. It's just a general trend I see.

Btw for the game you reference, I was one of those who randomed but have actually taken a few games off frank with -randoms. Don't feel like picking would've helped me more in most of the games whether losses or wins. Sometimes random surprises you by giving the hero that magically fits your needs, and you didn't even know it. In that specific game you mention i feel like our mid player held up incredibly well, but the sidelanes got dominated. for example fapper es in my lane had nothing but 2 branches and boots vs an od banishing him and had 0 mana ever to make plays when in another reality where he gets items besides boots and branches for 10 mins, we could've dominated the lane. Same player began spamming ff a few games before just because our team had invis heros with a tech. I also couldn't be effective after the lane. Frustrating game for everyone involved, agreed. Sometimes you just take a really bad loss for a variety of reasons.

Sometimes people overtly focus frank and that leads to a loss too. He is still just one player. However, some people still have no idea what his strategies are and are just winging it with vibes. Such as freely letting towers fall as they go into neutrals. avoid such teammates if at all possible.

[MIKEJONES]

It's the same persistent problem: the majority of these players simply can't evolve, adapt, synergize or play as a team, no matter what you try, because they operate like independent organisms. They only collaborate when conditions are perfectly convenient or handed to them with minimal effort. Does that sound familiar? It's like much of society today, people avoid hard work and expect subsidies. When things get tough, they're the loudest complainers but contribute the least. They also lurk to KS, snatching kills and gold without carrying the mid- or late-game, all while expecting everyone else to do the heavy lifting. With a majority of players like this, the environment is primed to breed ruiners and griefers—while being profoundly unfair to those doing any heavy lifting.

The point is, you can't fix this just by shuffling players or restricting accounts (which isn't even feasible without major recoding). That said, I'm open to forcing VB and might start a vote on it some day but without limitation on accounts does that even help much?

[Mr_Fagg0t]

while mogu, deliveryguy, kingmaxim on a new acc, and others, are also giving off 1k elo when they are really 600.

:D bro my main account deliveryguy is 927 elo on 400 games, dr.tillah is 1066 over 30, dr.allah is 994 elo on 20 games :D why you burned me like that

also, when I join with a total stranger account, and not typing all caps on, my elo average is like 1100 on those accounts..
when I play when noone knows me, I find it lot easier to win. my win/lose ratio is like 1.25x on my undercover accounts..
I don't want to sound like 3113, but hate is real.. some people playing different with some names unfortunately..