[0104] Current Version

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Burn » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:09 pm

My opinion of the 104 is 99% good. I understand the QQ with the neutral buildings, but personally I think it's a fine idea, Neco is obviously still nerfing it little by little like he should, and will hopefully be polished soon.

Main pros:
The EXP nerfs means that Neco is finally listening and nerfing EXP. Even AGI gain is nerfed (not sure though, not very descriptive changes.
Molt needed his phoenix nerf.
Voltron/syph nukes buffed.
Satyr being able to purge eye of ocean from other team players
UP not being ping based any more.
Far top being shit and deserved the upheaval
Demonic graves nerfed
Not sure about draenei aura but i think it might be able to affect units now
Nerfs on neutral buildings
Shield of Might nerf

Only threemajor cons I can see:
Mag armor nerf (wut)
Demo summons aren't buffed?
Leavers giving gold to titan was nice, didnt need a nerf

Now that EXP system is fixed, next up is supporter buffs.

Future changes I'd like to see:
Now that mag is nerfed, Tauren/Morph needs to be buffed for tankiness.
Demo shouldn't be a rewaller based builder anyway, he needs to be a minion killers like Nat, so now that his walls are shit-tier, his summons need to be buffed again.
Radioactive towers should be buffed (let's start with lumber cost) and gold towers nerfed, so that it's not as much of a priority for him to base super fast.

Comments on each change:
Spoiler!
0104d Changelog:
Fixed Draenei's Mana Aura's (for good this time). (not sure what this means
Arctic Walls now require a Merchant or an ARC (rather than just an ARC). (good)
Demonic Graves now require a Merchant or an ARC (rather than just an ARC). (very good)
Reduced Stasis Tower's chance to stun to 15% (from 25%). (eh, not sure about this, cannon is still better)
Fixed AR and AP pick modes having no delay before picking. (nice)
Increased the defenses of Tauren's Totem Towers. (nice)
Added Shield of Fortitude. (Nice too, it was op b4 esp. on sat/mag)
Automatically combined from Runed Bracers and Shield of Might.
Shield of Might no longer grants spell resistance, nor does it require Runed Bracers.
Neutralized Structures now only remain for 2 minutes. (needs more nerf, but listening to QQs, so also good)
Fixed Pirate's Explosive Barrels being able to damage Defenders when neutralized. (lol, obviously much needed)
Reduced the block change of Armor of Fate to 40% (from 50%). (idk about this tbh, aof is luxury)
Reduced the attack speed and damage granted from Gauntlets of Rage and it's components. (meh, wasnt op)
Fixed UP being weird when used with Lazy Random. (awesome)
Added a one-way jump path from top-left to top-right. This is temporary. Check out this thread for more details. (good, that base was shit anyway no-one used it)

0104c Changelog:
Raised maximum Titan level to 20. (very random change, but i guess this is good)
Fixed Titan abilities ignoring the Level Skip Requirement. (nice)
Reduced Agility gained per level for both Titans and their Minions to scale to the new maximum level. (so agi is nerfed or buffed? I always feel agi needed to be nerfed, not sure about this one)
Changed the feed reduction system to become less effective over time (linear, 50% effectiveness after 30 minutes has passed, 0% effectiveness after 60 minutes has passed). (doesnt matter, game is already decided after GP anyway in 90% of games)
Defender's walls now have a base feed amount of 10 for basic, and 15 for upgraded. (so wall exp nerfed, very nice neco for listening)
Reduced the amount of feed granted from Defender's workers by around 20%. nice
Buffed Goblin's Harvesting upgrade. Not needed tbh, but trivial
Leaving Defenders will not longer affect other's feed rate if they leave during the game. Good
The neutral structure feed rate has been reduced to 50% (from 75%). Good, Neco is listening to QQ
Replaced most ultimate tower item models to be the classic chest of gold. There should be no problems with clicking them. Good
The Titan will no longer get bonus gold when a Defender leaves. Disagree, I think this was a good thing

0104b Changelog:
Fixed a major issue with Unique Pick allowing the Titan to pick early. Nice

0104a Changelog:
Fixed Storm Hammer's duration being incorrect. Nice
Fixed Unique Pick letting you pick a non-unique Defender if you entered no choices. Nice

0104 Changelog:
Changed how Unique Pick works. Nice
Unique Pick now takes place at the selection ships again! Nice
It will now let you select up to 6 choices from the very start of the game.
Once the timer is up, each race will be randomed between those who picked it. For example, if two people pick Satyr as their first choice then it will choose who gets it randomly. The "loser" will then have their second choice rolled, so on and so forth.
Choosing "Random" will replace your remaining choices and will ensure that you spawn as soon as the waiting period timer finishes.
If you don't get your choice, and you don't specify any more choices you will be able to pick as normal from the remaining races.
Defender buildings will now "neutralize" upon their Builder's death, or if the player leaves the game and no one takes over. Needs nerfs, but not a bad idea
Neutralized buildings will remain on the map indefinitely.
Owned units (such as Harvesters) will be removed like normal. Good
The buildings will not be able to attack, but can still provide auras and other effects to the Defenders. Disagree, should still be able to attack for at least 30s imo
The Defender team does not have shared vision of the structures. (Disagree, should have vision imo)
The Titan will gain a fixed rate (currently 75%) of experience from these structures. This is not affected by -EXP or -FROFF. already nerfed above i believe
The Titan will gain the normal amount of gold from these structures. needs nerf
Added a base to the bottom-left corner of the map. I like it, needs nerf tho
Removed the top-middle section of the map (for now). Nice
The Island Keeper has joined the Island! Currently he sells Titanous Eggs, but he won't stay that way for long... Wut
Further updates to the meta data reporting system to improve handling when a player uses -titan before the game has started. Nice
Balance and Bug Fixes:
Added Spell Immunity to Demonicus' Shade. Not necessary but w/e, I liked that i had to stay away from Radio
Reduced the duration of Moltenious' Phoenix to 20 seconds (from 30 seconds). Much needed nerf
Fixed Sypherious' and Voltron's nukes moving slower than intended. Much needed buff
Changed the Magnataur's armor type to Large (from Fortified). No, pls why
Reduced the duration of the frost effect from Radioactive's Frost towers to 1.5/2/2.5 (from 5/5/5). good nerf
Increased the Satyr's clickable size. (Rofl)
Replaced Abolish Magic on Satyr's Rogue Den with an Elixir of Cleansing item. Good
The Satyr may purchase this item for 500 wood (shop has a 30s stock and re-stock delay).
Upon use, it purges the unit of any buffs influencing them.
This item is tradable, but not stackable.
Fixed Satyr's Rending Blade and Fading upgrading incorrectly. Nice
Fixed Furbolg Shaman not having the correct hotkey for Feral Rage. Nice


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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby 1337hamburger » Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:19 pm

Mag armor nerf (wut)

I agree, mag went from my #1 pick to praying I don't random it.
I think that if you really want to leave mag as heavy armor (not a great idea imo) then mags base armor needs a huge buff, much like tauren got. Although seeing as how mag is meant to be (one of) the tankiest builder(s) and also seeing as how windwalk is a much weak escape than charge that leads me to think that mag should start with a base armor higher than taur, maybe 12.

I realize that changing armor type to heavy is meant to combat the scaling of fortified armor, but if there are 2 builders that should remain fort forever it is mag and morph imo.

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Lynx » Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:33 pm

W/e arctic walls are op

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Sethy » Thu Apr 14, 2016 2:27 am

Can we possibly change fae's workers?

Impossible to see if they're harvesting or not.
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[0104d] Bug reports

Postby Burn » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:15 pm

Couldn't find a topic suited for bug reports, so here it is:

Replay: https://entgaming.net/replay/view_repla ... 639870.w3g

(Game still being played)

First bug:

Priority: High

Bug description: -UP doesn't give you the builder you won. You can see this when it is rolling you builder on the feeder board, the builder that you get doesn't actually spawn. I actually won Faerie (my 3rd pick) where no-one else got it either.

Timestamps:
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My picks:

0:29 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Satyr] (flags: 0x0040)
0:31 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Satyr] (flags: 0x0040)
0:33 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Faerie] (flags: 0x0040)
0:35 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Goblin] (flags: 0x0040)
0:38 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Draenei] (flags: 0x0040)
0:43 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Tauren] (flags: 0x0040)
0:44 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Random] (flags: 0x0040) (failed because it randomed a builder already picked)
0:47 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Random] (flags: 0x0040)
Screenshots:Second bug:

Priority: Low

Timestamps:
0:44 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Random] (flags: 0x0040) (failed because it randomed a builder already picked)
0:47 <BurnShady> 0x10: Immediate order: [Defender - Random] (flags: 0x0040)

Description: Reason why I could use random twice is because the first time it randomed onto a builder already picked, so I had to random again.

-Burn
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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Stealer » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:38 am

@neco there aren't 11 things for experience_fed in a lot of the replays.

ex. https://id.rory.io/stats/7573856/

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Sytec270 » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:41 am

@neco When will we see Huntress back ?

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Re: [0104d] Bug reports

Postby Burn » Sat Apr 16, 2016 4:33 pm

First bug:

Replay: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 581908.w3g
Bug description: If someone types -titan, some builders are unable to upgrade ulti structures.
Timestamps: You can't tell in the replay, but Radio/Satyr/Makrura all couldn't upgrade ulti structures from the 500W building. Satyr/Murloc could though.

Second bug:

Replay: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/view_replay.php?file=7581908.w3g
Bug description: I chose 6 satyrs as my picks, didn't roll satyr, which is fine, except it "force random" me into Morphling. This is not fine.
Time: Builder spawn

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Stealer » Sat Apr 16, 2016 7:10 pm

@neco nice inbox?

just keep upgrading faerie mana.
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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby narbtit » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:35 pm

Titan is feeling stronger. Yesterday I saw a lvl 7 luci with +11 armor or so just run through a troll base mid right with a decent number of towers at about 15 min mark. You really need support these days or you are dead vs normal fed tit.

Also noticing more players and really low quality of building indicating new players which is good. Also means a huge nubfest so tons of feed everywhere. All support died in our base to nuke.

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby road-kill » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:53 am

Narb your game was probably full a noobs, and a note of advice, this version Titan is harder, if a Titan is lvl 7 in less than 15 minutes that's automatically means your game was full of noobs.

Also troll isn't good until he has megas or tower speed increase 15%.

If you Titan, you will understand... Imagine a game full of pros vs 1 Titan

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Stealer » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:51 am

If you Titan, you will understand... Imagine a game full of pros vs 1 Titan


Pros gud at first blooding.

You really never play vs 10 pros. Maybe 5 in a stack but still always a couple bobs for fb/feed.


Lvl 7 is all you need to break a super base too.

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Sytec270 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:14 pm

New idea for @neco island defense modes. -rm randommode puts on a random mode -ar -br -ap -up.Would be an cool thing.

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Sytec270 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:19 pm

Though i dont have a clue how to get this working. :D

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Re: [0104] Current Version

Postby Nigth2 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:58 pm

Well, just wondering WTH is happening with Tauren having 15 fort armor wall-towers, and why heavy armor's icon looks like fortified's one... Placebo? wtf...
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