Replay Link: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=11067203
Game Name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #78
Your Warcraft III Username: AttacDemarco
Violator's Warcraft III Username: nightmares@useast.battle.net
Violated Rule(s): Game ruining
Time of Violation (in-game or replay):
(all times in replay time)
2:00 refuses to cooperate and let rhasta solo mid
12:30 lays down 4 wards near secret shop in terrible positions
13:00 gets killed by neutral creeps by secret shop from full health
15:00 starts talking in a trolling manner by not writing words properly by saying
"(15:12 / All) nightmares: soimeon ples ban dis rhasa, all gam flame and now vote abus"
By 21:00 he was 0-8-1 and waited until he was basically dead to use his ultimate in teamfight
32:25 lays down a terrible ward and there is no explanation why anyone would ever ward there
33:20 team fight in base, does not attack anyone, and at almost full health just decides to go back to fountain
Any further thoughts:
Clearly did not take the game seriously by his lack of listening to teammates, score by minute 21, and his way of writing and taking no responsibility for his play
check out game lobby of the next game we were trying to play as an example of his facecious way of writing if still not convinced http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/dow ... 067366.txt
game link (he did not play) http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 067366.w3g
[DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
Your assessment here is actually all wrong. I watched the replay, there were no instances where he tried to game ruin, in fact him buying wards and trying to help is more than what you or any of the team tried to do. What I find disturbing is that you continue to antagonize this player, who obviously isn't very good, and on the next game, you antagonize him again in the lobby. Personally, given your stats/elo, and the way you behave, it seems you are trying to detract attention away from yourself? Not my place to judge, but try to be less hostile to your teammates and get better at the game yourself. Good luck mate.
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
Well, you are entitled to your opinion, however wrong I may believe it to be. From my perspective, a serious player does not start accusing players of things they didn't do [15:12 in-game] (rhasta watched him closely at that point in the game and came to the conclusion that nightmares@useast was not playing seriously, which is why rhasta was so upset at him). A serious player doesn't consistently talk in a facecious way, which to me is clear that he was trying to get a rinse out of people in order to annoy them. A serious player listens to his teammates and tries to engage with them, at least at first, especially when they are not doing well or if they are new.
nightmares@useast has played 300 games on this bot, are you to tell me in over 300 games this player has not realised/observed that placing wards on higher ground to give vision is a good idea? Or that placing them in between corridors of trees is pointless? I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that after playing 300 games someone can be that obtuse to the basics of dota, while speaking in a troll-like manner, and still be considered to be genuinely trying.
The fact that you took the time to watch a random replay and then defend someone who went 0-8 within 21 minutes, all the while pissing off his teammates, makes me question what your motives are. Your armchair advice is basically a slight at my ability to play dota and an accusation that I am a twat. I think it is telling, though, that the people in the next lobby who played in the previous game, even on the opposing team, refused to play with him and left.
In any event, I will leave that for the ENT mods to decide.
nightmares@useast has played 300 games on this bot, are you to tell me in over 300 games this player has not realised/observed that placing wards on higher ground to give vision is a good idea? Or that placing them in between corridors of trees is pointless? I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that after playing 300 games someone can be that obtuse to the basics of dota, while speaking in a troll-like manner, and still be considered to be genuinely trying.
The fact that you took the time to watch a random replay and then defend someone who went 0-8 within 21 minutes, all the while pissing off his teammates, makes me question what your motives are. Your armchair advice is basically a slight at my ability to play dota and an accusation that I am a twat. I think it is telling, though, that the people in the next lobby who played in the previous game, even on the opposing team, refused to play with him and left.
In any event, I will leave that for the ENT mods to decide.
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
You and your friend need to understand the rules and see that your viewpoint of someone 'playing serious' is not a justification for votekick and constant banter, and just an fyi, you and Rhasta flamed and votekick abused. Next time, simply use !ignore.
http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ng:VKRules
http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ming:Rules
If you want to know what a true ruiner is, look here: https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/?u=mukalo
Hope this helps.
http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ng:VKRules
http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ming:Rules
If you want to know what a true ruiner is, look here: https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/?u=mukalo
Hope this helps.
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
attacdemarco wrote:nightmares@useast has played 300 games on this bot, are you to tell me in over 300 games this player has not realised/observed that placing wards on higher ground to give vision is a good idea? Or that placing them in between corridors of trees is pointless? I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that after playing 300 games someone can be that obtuse to the basics of dota, while speaking in a troll-like manner, and still be considered to be genuinely trying.
Not sure if I should post here or not, but, i'd like to point out that !stats or whatever it is you used to discern how many games were played, shows ALL games played with ENT bots, as far as I can tell. Not just DotA.
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
I do not know rhasta in any capacity. He is just a fellow player. I don't really see how your example is a necessary benchmark that needs to be matched, or even relevant. If game ruining isn't the correct term for what he did (although naturally it did ruin the game) then trolling would be another way to describe his play. And that is also against the rules.
Further, there are quite a few things in this post that make it clear that you didn't watch the replay too clearly, if at all.
You say that not playing serious is not 'a justification for votekick and constant banter'. To be clear I never initiated a votekick or actually voted when a votekick was started against nightmares@useast. At that time in the game, I was not fully convinced that he was not playing seriously. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. It was only until further into the game when I was paying closer attention to what he was doing that it became self-evident that he was not playing seriously. Additionally, I fail to see any 'banter' you say I engage in as the only real discussion I had (aside from game-talk) was accusing him of game ruin and in return he insulted me. Point being that I said what I thought I saw quite dryly with no 'banter' or insults. I didn't really care to respond to his attacks because I saw it as an obvious troll. All in all, your claims are not a fair assessment of what happened in the game. So the fact that you were wrong about these things gives me the confidence to invite you to rewatch this replay again. Maybe it will change your mind; maybe it won't and you will come out with a steelier determination about what a douche I am. At least make yourself some popcorn while you watch so those 40 minutes won't feel like a complete waste of time.
You are right about one thing, there is no rule against not 'playing serious', but there are rules on ruining the game on purpose/trolling. My contention is that if you take any one of his behaviours out of context they seem quite benign. When you take his general behaviour into account, his actions during the game, and the fact that he has played at least 300 games (the likelihood being a lot more), I find it hard to believe that you can look at his play and say it was a result of poor skill.
Further, there are quite a few things in this post that make it clear that you didn't watch the replay too clearly, if at all.
You say that not playing serious is not 'a justification for votekick and constant banter'. To be clear I never initiated a votekick or actually voted when a votekick was started against nightmares@useast. At that time in the game, I was not fully convinced that he was not playing seriously. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. It was only until further into the game when I was paying closer attention to what he was doing that it became self-evident that he was not playing seriously. Additionally, I fail to see any 'banter' you say I engage in as the only real discussion I had (aside from game-talk) was accusing him of game ruin and in return he insulted me. Point being that I said what I thought I saw quite dryly with no 'banter' or insults. I didn't really care to respond to his attacks because I saw it as an obvious troll. All in all, your claims are not a fair assessment of what happened in the game. So the fact that you were wrong about these things gives me the confidence to invite you to rewatch this replay again. Maybe it will change your mind; maybe it won't and you will come out with a steelier determination about what a douche I am. At least make yourself some popcorn while you watch so those 40 minutes won't feel like a complete waste of time.
You are right about one thing, there is no rule against not 'playing serious', but there are rules on ruining the game on purpose/trolling. My contention is that if you take any one of his behaviours out of context they seem quite benign. When you take his general behaviour into account, his actions during the game, and the fact that he has played at least 300 games (the likelihood being a lot more), I find it hard to believe that you can look at his play and say it was a result of poor skill.
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
SCORPEANrtd wrote:Not sure if I should post here or not, but, i'd like to point out that !stats or whatever it is you used to discern how many games were played, shows ALL games played with ENT bots, as far as I can tell. Not just DotA.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/player/nightmares/
These are DOTA stats.
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
attacdemarco wrote:SCORPEANrtd wrote:Not sure if I should post here or not, but, i'd like to point out that !stats or whatever it is you used to discern how many games were played, shows ALL games played with ENT bots, as far as I can tell. Not just DotA.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/player/nightmares/
These are DOTA stats.
Ah, I was not aware about that, my mistake
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
What's beeing reported here is definitely not allowed, and will be punished accordingly.
However, this case extends way more than it appears, so we're talking about it internally and it might take a couple of days for the conclusion.
For now, i am going to lock this topic. If you have any further valuable and new information to add, you can pm those to me. Thanks.
However, this case extends way more than it appears, so we're talking about it internally and it might take a couple of days for the conclusion.
For now, i am going to lock this topic. If you have any further valuable and new information to add, you can pm those to me. Thanks.
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Re: [DOTA] nightmares@useast.battle.net
Since its creation, nightmares has been used for trolling/game ruining, by going dagon/eth blade and speed items on every hero imaginable. The result was almost always a negative kdr combined with bad overall stats, resulting in a defeat.
Currently standing at 380.2 elo, with a win rate of 29% and a 0.8:1 KDR.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/?u=nightmares
nightmares@useast belongs to dota_trashcans@useast. Here's dota_trashcans@useast's stats :
1472.12 elo. 81.05% win rate. 4.2:1 KDR.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/?u=dota_trashcans
Another one of his obvious trolling attempts is the way he talks. nightmares talks in broken english, even tho he is from the USA. dota_trashcans talks just fine.
Here's some of the most notable replays on his history. There's plenty more of this style.
In certain games he had opponents he clearly wanted to beat, so his gameplay magically improved.
In other games, he was playing with a friend, be it in his team or as an enemy. Here's every game with vaylen in the past 2 months :
Here's one against vaylen :
Here's another one with vaylen. However, this time, nightmares was played by slipperyslark@useast.battle.net.
Here's a game were dota_trashcans and nightmares were in the same game. In this one, nightmares was actually played through an IP, which coinsidentally enough belongs to vaylen.
There are several other games were he did just fine. Turns out, at least one of his teammates in those was an alias of a friend, in most cases vaylen. I will not link any of those as i've already gathered and provided more than enough evidence of intentional game ruining, trolling, boosting.
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Here's vaylen's full ban history.
viewtopic.php?t=92884 Excessive flaming.
A votekick abuse topic that was deleted on the rollback, TID: 106403.
viewtopic.php?t=106681 Afk/griefing, 1st game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=107586 Teamkill, 2nd game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=109595 Afk/griefing 2nd time, 3rd game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=110515 Afk/griefing 3rd time, 4th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=110549 Afk/griefing 4th time, 5th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=117379 Malicious spell usage, 6th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=120616 Bot impersonation.
viewtopic.php?t=122515 Excessive flaming in 2 games, mass pinging, 5th time afk/griefing. Total 7 game ruining bans, 3 flaming bans.
viewtopic.php?t=128191 Lying about the rules, refusing to votekick.
viewtopic.php?t=129138 4th flaming ban.
viewtopic.php?t=130394 5th flaming ban, ghosting, 8th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=128537 Refusing to defend, 2nd votekick abuse, 2nd admin/bot impersonation. 9th game ruining ban.
Total :
9 game ruining bans.
5 toxic behavior bans.
2 bot/admin impersonation bans.
4 miscellaneous bans.
Vaylen is banned for 4 months, 10th game ruining offense + boosting. Stats on vaylen@useast.battle.net have also been reset, due to the obvious boosting.
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Here's dota_trashcans history :
viewtopic.php?t=81952 Votekick abuse + intentional feeding. 1st game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=92030 1st toxic behavior ban.
viewtopic.php?t=94381 2nd votekick abuse, 2nd intentional feeding ban. 2nd game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=102942 3rd votekick abuse, 3rd toxic behavior, teamkill. 3rd game ruining ban.
4th flaming ban. Topic was deleted on the rollback, TID: 106117.
viewtopic.php?t=125049 3 replays, 3 game ruining bans. 6th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=127367 afk/griefing. 7th game ruining ban.
And finally, ban dodging.
Total :
7 game ruining bans.
5 toxic behavior bans.
3 votekick abuse bans.
1 dodging ban.
dota_trashcans#useast.battle.net is banned 4 months. dota_trashcans#useast.battle.net's and nightmares@useast.battle.net's stats have also been reset due to boosting/intentional throwing to reach low elo.
slipperyslark#useast.battle.net is banned 4 days for boosting, as it was only one game and there is no prior history.
Currently standing at 380.2 elo, with a win rate of 29% and a 0.8:1 KDR.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/?u=nightmares
nightmares@useast belongs to dota_trashcans@useast. Here's dota_trashcans@useast's stats :
1472.12 elo. 81.05% win rate. 4.2:1 KDR.
https://entgaming.net/openstats/?u=dota_trashcans
Another one of his obvious trolling attempts is the way he talks. nightmares talks in broken english, even tho he is from the USA. dota_trashcans talks just fine.
Here's some of the most notable replays on his history. There's plenty more of this style.
Spoiler!
In certain games he had opponents he clearly wanted to beat, so his gameplay magically improved.
Spoiler!
In other games, he was playing with a friend, be it in his team or as an enemy. Here's every game with vaylen in the past 2 months :
Spoiler!
Here's one against vaylen :
Spoiler!
Here's another one with vaylen. However, this time, nightmares was played by slipperyslark@useast.battle.net.
Spoiler!
Here's a game were dota_trashcans and nightmares were in the same game. In this one, nightmares was actually played through an IP, which coinsidentally enough belongs to vaylen.
Spoiler!
There are several other games were he did just fine. Turns out, at least one of his teammates in those was an alias of a friend, in most cases vaylen. I will not link any of those as i've already gathered and provided more than enough evidence of intentional game ruining, trolling, boosting.
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Here's vaylen's full ban history.
viewtopic.php?t=92884 Excessive flaming.
A votekick abuse topic that was deleted on the rollback, TID: 106403.
viewtopic.php?t=106681 Afk/griefing, 1st game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=107586 Teamkill, 2nd game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=109595 Afk/griefing 2nd time, 3rd game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=110515 Afk/griefing 3rd time, 4th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=110549 Afk/griefing 4th time, 5th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=117379 Malicious spell usage, 6th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=120616 Bot impersonation.
viewtopic.php?t=122515 Excessive flaming in 2 games, mass pinging, 5th time afk/griefing. Total 7 game ruining bans, 3 flaming bans.
viewtopic.php?t=128191 Lying about the rules, refusing to votekick.
viewtopic.php?t=129138 4th flaming ban.
viewtopic.php?t=130394 5th flaming ban, ghosting, 8th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=128537 Refusing to defend, 2nd votekick abuse, 2nd admin/bot impersonation. 9th game ruining ban.
Total :
9 game ruining bans.
5 toxic behavior bans.
2 bot/admin impersonation bans.
4 miscellaneous bans.
Vaylen is banned for 4 months, 10th game ruining offense + boosting. Stats on vaylen@useast.battle.net have also been reset, due to the obvious boosting.
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Here's dota_trashcans history :
viewtopic.php?t=81952 Votekick abuse + intentional feeding. 1st game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=92030 1st toxic behavior ban.
viewtopic.php?t=94381 2nd votekick abuse, 2nd intentional feeding ban. 2nd game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=102942 3rd votekick abuse, 3rd toxic behavior, teamkill. 3rd game ruining ban.
4th flaming ban. Topic was deleted on the rollback, TID: 106117.
viewtopic.php?t=125049 3 replays, 3 game ruining bans. 6th game ruining ban.
viewtopic.php?t=127367 afk/griefing. 7th game ruining ban.
And finally, ban dodging.
Total :
7 game ruining bans.
5 toxic behavior bans.
3 votekick abuse bans.
1 dodging ban.
dota_trashcans#useast.battle.net is banned 4 months. dota_trashcans#useast.battle.net's and nightmares@useast.battle.net's stats have also been reset due to boosting/intentional throwing to reach low elo.
slipperyslark#useast.battle.net is banned 4 days for boosting, as it was only one game and there is no prior history.
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