Observer making the call

[Furbolg.]

Alright first of all, Im sorry about the flood of negative posts on my part. Its sad that its all pointing fingers and flaming, ill try to bring more happiness lol

1) One guy on West has mass blasters and wolves. Other guy has massed blasters
2) East sends lvl 13 and West leaks
3) While we are leaking the observer calls the next send for West

Judge by the chatlog yourself. To save you time anything before lvl 10 is irrelevant http://s2.entgaming.net/replay/view_rep ... 442057.w3g

The important part here. Eldryan is the observer

(25:49 / All) EldryanTheWise: mm
(25:59 / Allied) RealFurbolg: save straight 20
(26:03 / All) EldryanTheWise: mb demons 16?
(26:05 / Allied) RealFurbolg: -king
(26:10 / All) EldryanTheWise: or could be 20
(26:22 / Allied) DJ.FM: think of this way
(26:28 / Allied) DJ.FM: if they leak 16 bad
(26:28 / Allied) RealFurbolg: -king
(26:31 / Allied) DJ.FM: thjey used lumber to up kin
(26:35 / Allied) DJ.FM: we dont get fucked on 17
(26:37 / Allied) RealFurbolg: max hp and save
(26:57 / Allied) dark_magician: if we can't demon on 16, idk how much they'd leak?
(27:32 / Allied) DJ.FM: honestl think its worth a try
(27:34 / Allied) DJ.FM: it sounds stupid
(27:36 / Allied) DJ.FM: i will double kraken
(27:37 / Allied) DJ.FM: you demon
(27:47 / Allied) DJ.FM: yes?
(27:56 / Allied) dark_magician: mmmm
(27:58 / Allied) dark_magician: lol
(27:59 / Allied) DJ.FM: lets try
(28:00 / Allied) DJ.FM: for fun
(28:01 / Allied) dark_magician: i'll go with you
(28:02 / Allied) DJ.FM: cmom
(28:07 / Allied) DJ.FM: ok send
(28:08 / Allied) DJ.FM: lol
(28:14 / Allied) DJ.FM: when u can

[supersexyy]

Sigh.. Eldryan....

[eldryan]

yes, important part not that I am observer but that observer said something. is very bad. I think should take observer ELO in this situation and give to affected. if you read posts, I am sarcastic. like 3 lvls after 13??? i was confused at send 13, and just say because furbolg said he knew this.

[eldryan]

I think if you remove observer ability to talk during game, is probably important. Observer should not be able to talk in all.

[supersexyy]

Or, you could just keep your mouth shut. Seems like a better solution.

[eldryan]

Or, you could just keep your mouth shut. Seems like a better solution.

I wasn't actually inputting anything. They were like "i know you send 13" and i just say "you know 13 not 16???" lol. obviously they already thought to send 16 looking at chat, wasn't me. I only said because sending 13 so fail, lol. who expect leak 30??? and after 13, send again??? IMO their send was solely to catch offguard.

here is chat before this part:


(23:38 / Allied) RealFurbolg: expected more
(23:42 / Allied) Posh: send?
(23:47 / Allied) RealFurbolg: hold 2 sec
(23:56 / Allied) Posh: leaking
(23:59 / Allied) Posh: quite big
(24:00 / All) EldryanTheWise: mm
(24:17 / Allied) DJ.FM: i say
(24:17 / Allied) dark_magician: i'm surprised they leaked that many
(24:19 / Allied) DJ.FM: if they used
(24:20 / Allied) DJ.FM: heal
(24:21 / Allied) RealFurbolg: u heal
(24:22 / Allied) DJ.FM: we should try 16
(24:26 / Allied) Posh: ok
(24:27 / Allied) DJ.FM: even thought it sounds stupid
(24:40 / Allied) dark_magician: i'm not gain on 16, unless we can both def. demon
(24:53 / Allied) dark_magician: oh 2 heals
(24:54 / Allied) dark_magician: maybe
(25:02 / Allied) dark_magician: nvm
(25:08 / Allied) dark_magician: not happening hah
(25:13 / Allied) DJ.FM: but seriously
(25:16 / Allied) DJ.FM: we could get them
(25:16 / Allied) RealFurbolg: thats why i wanted u to cancel lumb
(25:17 / Allied) Posh: didnt think i would leak that much
(25:19 / Allied) RealFurbolg: but all the same
(25:36 / All) RealFurbolg: everyone knew that one was comming lol
(25:45 / All) dark_magician: lol
(25:49 / Allied) Posh: i gotta rr for 20
(25:49 / All) EldryanTheWise: mm
(25:59 / Allied) RealFurbolg: save straight 20
(26:03 / All) EldryanTheWise: mb demons 16?

I didn't mean they demon 16, real was saying "everyone knew that was coming", I say "mb demon 16" or "mb demon 20" lol. not calling, was saying not 13 mb 16.

[dweiler]

Seems to me to be a misunderstanding. Furbolg thinks eldryan makes the call for the enemies, but it seems to me he is responding to "(25:36 / All) RealFurbolg: everyone knew that one was comming lol", by saying a lot of people could have thought they would send 16.

But in general, you should be careful with what you say in all-chat as observer eldryan, it's best to stick to off-topic and say the things you wanted to say as obs after the game to avoid topics like this

[eldryan]

yea, I think so too. I was actual flipping out, and very very upset - i was even kind of upset after saying "send 14 good" lol. even sarcastic - what if they sent 14 and that won??? I was just saying is abnormal to send on ez lvl and KNOW they send there over other lvls that have huge advantage/bigger sends, like 20 (yea obviously you guys had hades, but only you knew and not them so them sending 20 is big adv vs lvl 10 unit)

[dweiler]

yea, I think so too. I was actual flipping out, and very very upset - i was even kind of upset after saying "send 14 good" lol. even sarcastic - what if they sent 14 and that won??? I was just saying is abnormal to send on ez lvl and KNOW they send there over other lvls that have huge advantage/surprise, like 20 (yea obviously you guys had hades, but only you knew and not them so them sending 20 is big adv vs lvl 10 unit)

Sshht! One of the biggest advantages of being an observer is that you can observe the tactical flaws of the other players and use it to your benefit. It's smarter to keep the info you gain to yourself and use it to get wins

[eldryan]

lol true story. that's normally what i do! but I"m banned. so was like "eh, i'll just obs"

[iightfyre]

1. As far as Eldryan's actions as observer, this is a clear violation of the observer rules:

Please reference this post: https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8362 Where it is clearly stated that:

With that being said, any use of the observer privilege that can give any information to either team or any player will result in disciplinary action which may include un-vouching.

* Giving advice or hints as to which lvl should be the next send IS IN FACT giving away information. Whether it was meant in jest or not, it is still a violation of etiquette and an abuse of the observer privilege.

2. I have also edited (changed the wording only) in the etiquette and rules to be more clear about allowing observers to be in a game. You can read them or reference the edits below:

Edited this post https://entgaming.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8362&p=40455#p40455

To read

We do allow observers in our LIHL games (anyone wishing to observe must have 100% approval by the players in the game - if any player objects to an observer, the observer will be denied the privilege of watching). This is a privilege and should not be taken advantage of.

Edited this post https://entgaming.net/forum/posting.php?mode=edit&f=79&p=44774

To read

Observers: If 100% of both teams agree to allow a player to be an observer, then it is acceptable (If any player objects to an observer then the observer will be denied access to watch the game). Note that players who join but are not on the team list are automatically placed in an observer slot.

Just and FYI to the players that you can refuse referees in game if you are playing.

[HateLose]

Shame on you eld

[Ultimate_aMaYa]

Or, you could just keep your mouth shut. Seems like a better solution.

[dweiler]

:O can you make that a bit clearer? I only saw a misunderstanding about whether eldryan called the lvl 16 (which he didn't?). I couldn't make much sense of the rest of the chat, though, maybe he gave information there?

[Furbolg.]

Well they ended sending lvl 16 and we used all wood and all heals and lost soon after. Eldryan did feel a little bad about it, eventho it wasnt with bad intentions he said it. I see they just updated the rule on the obs part due to this, so everything is alright!