[LTD] Federvieh, Europe

[Wizax]

Replay Link:

federvieh.w3g

(1.29 MiB) Downloaded 31 times

Game Name: LEGION TD MEGA
Your Warcraft III Username: Wizax
Violator's Warcraft III Username: federvieh
Violated Rule(s): Verbal harrasment
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): all game....
Any further thoughts: Plz stop this jerk. it is ok to know what you are doing, but dont be a jerk to those that plays the game differently than you.

[RadiantCrystal]

All game does not cut it, you need to provide specific timestamps of when this/these happened. Also you can find the replay link here:
https://entgaming.net/customstats/legionmega/
type his name in the searchbox

[Wizax]

found this: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 519672.w3g

starts at about 11 mins, then a votekick at 14 mins... at 15 mins he keeps it up... 17 mins he keeps commanding my way of playing. 22 min, yabbing about "understanding game". 30 complaining about my playing again.... (although i couldnt do as he commanded). 31 namecalling.

[Federvieh]

Well let me share my opinion on this matter. Wizax sent alone multiple times, also after he was asked to send in team. We hadnt made a call when to send and he sent randomly and said: (11:54 / Allied) Wizax: as long as you are not telling me when to send I send for income.

He is right, I initiated a votekick against him, but only after he sent on his own multiple times and one of the opponent team dropped. I have to admit i was kind of angry and that might have been a little over the top, still I had a reason.
All of the other things he brought up: I was only trying to explain some general keys to the game and I was trying to convince him that I am the more experienced player and I know what I'm talking about. I kept pretty objective and dont feel like i called him names either. I think he is referring to:
(30:56 / Allied) Federvieh: thank god
(31:04 / Allied) Federvieh: we dont have to play this game longer with that noob
which i dont think is really harsh.

He also didnt contribute to our game-ending send and kept 1200 wood so the one time he should have sent with us, he actually didnt, at least not fully.

Rewriting his "further thoughts": Its ok not to know what your doing but please accept some advice and its even ok not to accept advice, if you at least play in team.

[Wizax]

I can only say, the chatlog speaks for itself. and let the admins decide if you make it a pleasent gaming-experience or not.
After all, there are differences between "explain general keys" and commanding, as there are differences between "see me I'm very good at this" and "may I suggest?".

You have no idea how much LegionTD MEGA experience I have. it may have been a couple of years since i played it, but I have probably won more games back then, than you have played. Playing a different way than you does not mean that I am less experienced, I just have another style.

[Federvieh]

There is, my friend, no such thing as having to make it a pleasent gaming-experience. After all, we're not at a dinner party in the white house where you can expect people to follow a certain etiquette. You might not be too thin-skinned about people not being super polite on the internet. However I did not "rage or insult you excessively" so I didn't break a rule. All I did was trying to help our team to win - which we did, even though you didnt contribute to it too much since you didnt send with us on our game-winning send.
You however did break a rule when sending alone multiple times even after being asked not to and by not participating in our send at lvl 15.
Rule: Refusing to cooperate when asked to do so several times by sending alone and not save-send with teammates to win.

So even though you might have had a lot of experience a few years ago, you might also want to consider that the map has changed in those years. For example there is no default li mode so you are supposed to save and send with your team.

You should think of reading the rules carefully before writing a ban request to make sure you really want to ban someone for rule breaking and not just because he looked at you the wrong way. In this case I'm pretty sure you are more banable than I am

[Wizax]

first line of homepage:
Welcome to ENT Gaming! We're an active and friendly Warcraft III gaming community

you do not live up to that...

also, if you are not up to keeping a friendly game, may I suggest go play at the 1200+ ELO games?

[TinSoldier]

There is no worse player than one that doesn't play as a team, Wizax you deserved any flame directed towards you and I really hope you catch a nice ban for this.

[KinG23]

(11:54 / Allied) Wizax: as long as you are not telling me when to send I send for income.
^ That is very frustrating to hear from a teammate. In LTD, it is CRUCIAL to send as a team. Solo sending should only be done if you need the small additional income to build the next round. For example, sending 6 income before level 2 with Phantoms guarantees you get a third Phantom for level 2.

Here, Federvieh is asking nicely for you to cooperate:

(11:58 / Allied) Federvieh: no
(12:00 / Allied) eimai_kwlonoobo: lol
(12:02 / Allied) Wizax: so who are kidding who?
(12:03 / Allied) Federvieh: as long as we dont tell you when to send
(12:05 / Allied) Federvieh: you dont send
(12:11 / Allied) Federvieh: and btw

If you were indeed solo sending, despite being warned by the team, then a votekick is legitimate against you. It also seems your entire team was upset with you:

(15:26 / Allied) wow: !ignore wiz

Again, Federvieh is being nothing but nice to you, trying to help you learn the game.

(16:37 / Allied) Wizax: why is holding MY waves AND your leaks bad?
(16:48 / Allied) Federvieh: because this game isnt about holding
(16:51 / Allied) Federvieh: its about winning
(16:55 / Allied) Federvieh: and making the others leak
(17:03 / Allied) Federvieh: which you do with good income and lumber
(17:12 / Allied) Federvieh: and in the beginning - if you know you wont hold
(17:15 / Allied) Federvieh: you dont send but up king
(17:26 / Allied) Federvieh: which we do now
(17:27 / Allied) Federvieh: btw
(17:34 / Allied) Federvieh: so we all send only 1 ghoul

I really saw no flaming in this game, but this. Your team was just trying to help you.

(31:04 / Allied) Federvieh: we dont have to play this game longer with that noob

^ That really isn't even flame. I mean, you solo sent and didn't listen to the team.

@Federvieh I suggest you post a ban request on Wizax for solo sending and refusing to cooperate with the team, despite repeated warnings.

[ArOuNDThaWOrLD]

Denied...if someone is rude to you just use the !ignore command. This isn't even close to excessive flaming.