[DOTA] Ruiner Ineedaname

[CountChocula96]

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 649748.w3g
Your Warcraft III Username: DRACULA
Violator's Warcraft III Username: Ineedaname
Violated Rule(s): Ruining/AFK
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 29:50; Last minute of game; also throughout game at other moments; also throughout game not teamplaying on purpose and doing dumb things like 42:25 walking by 5 rhasta wards attacking 100 hp rax
Any further thoughts: In first minute of game, he said "ff gg" and kept trying to ff every 3 minutes for 50 minutes straight throughout game. He did not play seriously. He was ALWAYS in back as axe, the only tank we had. And he NEVER listened to team, only solo play. He only creeps while base is attacked and he doesn't even attack rhasta wards about to kill rax, he just walks by. He kept trying to ff after 1 minute, making me think he's a plant. He also had weird periods where he would go AFK at fountain for 1 minute or more. He did play good at certain points in the game, but overall without a doubt he was ruining by his gameplay, actions, afk, and constant attempts to ff since minute one.Worst part is in last minute he could've defended base and won us the game, but he went afk at fountain. He also did not buyback from 4,000 in gold to help us win. He really needs ban, this is ruining. He kept trying to ff 10 times throughout game for no reason

Here's a nice moment of the chatlog of him talking to a teammate that shows you how annoying it was to play with him:

(19:01 / Allied) Roxornub: buy dust
(19:41 / Allied) Roxornub: axe
(19:43 / Allied) Roxornub: u have to
(19:49 / Allied) IneedaName: !ignore rox
(19:49 / Allied) Roxornub: u have to go first
(19:56 / Allied) Roxornub: keep killing sb
(19:56 / All) IneedaName: Player [IneedaName]'s forfeit vote has been recalled automatically (three minutes have elapsed).
(20:04 / Allied) Roxornub: STOP CREEPING

[artifacts]

(12:21 / All) IneedaName: A votekick against player [IneedaName] has been started by player [Neptune_X]. 6 votes are needed within 60 seconds to pass. VK abuse right here..trying to kick me for no reason.

(12:47 / All) DRACULA-: hes afk in base
(12:49 / All) DRACULA-: hes been trying to ff
(12:50 / All) IneedaName: yes kick me becuz u suck

Dracula lying to try and get me kicked when i was obviously not AFK, i was jungling, then went to base to heal.

(13:31 / Allied) DRACULA-: dude
(13:33 / Allied) DRACULA-: this team doesnt stick
(13:40 / Allied) Roxornub: u went in woods by urself

He complains that team doesnt stick, but hes obviously targeting me.

(13:41 / Allied) DRACULA-: !votekick name
(13:41 / All) IneedaName: A votekick against player [IneedaName] has been started by player [DRACULA-]. 6 votes are needed within 60 seconds to pass.

Another VK abuse by this douche..i was not AFK -_-

(14:02 / All) DRACULA-: hes been afk
(14:10 / Allied) hmon: -afk
(14:19 / All) hmon: doesnt look like it

again lying about me being AFK, after i got a double kill

(17:27 / All) DRACULA-: can we kick?
(17:30 / All) DRACULA-: he keeps going back in and out

After i get a megakill streak

(25:59 / Allied) totalchaos2: axe is doing alot better than the rest of u dumb fuks

(26:08 / Allied) DRACULA-: no he's not
(26:13 / Allied) Roxornub: yeah
(26:14 / Allied) Roxornub: hes deff
(26:14 / Allied) DRACULA-: we'd have 10 towers by now if he knew how to paly axe

Dracula obviously was after me the entire game, no clue why he was so resentful towards me when i ended up with the best score on our team.

(59:13 / All) IneedaName: Neptune_X has left the game voluntarily.

game was over at this point, base full of creeps, PA left..game ended in the next 30-40 seconds..


So i dont understand why Dracula had it out for me all game, i did nothing wrong..i played well, ended with a good score..

[nitromon]

Let's look at Ineedaname's in-game attitude:

(04:27 / All) IneedaName: GG WP
(04:33 / Allied) DRACULA-: ?
(05:40 / Allied) DRACULA-: we really about to lose 26 elo?
(06:00 / Allied) IneedaName: already over
(06:05 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(06:10 / Allied) Neptune_X: !ignore name
(06:12 / Allied) DRACULA-: !ignore indeed
(06:17 / Allied) DRACULA-: !ignore name
(06:22 / Allied) IneedaName: try again fucktard

(within the first 6 mins or so)

(12:15 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(12:21 / Allied) Neptune_X: !votekick name

(looks like Dracula- wasn't the only one fed up with axe.)

(15:19 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(17:04 / All) Roxornub: AXE AFK
(17:05 / All) Roxornub: LOL

(Another one of axe's teammates fed up with him)

(31:40 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(34:46 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(37:01 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(40:11 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(47:41 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(57:43 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff

Yeah, we know exactly what kind of player you are, axe. But being an ass isn't bannable. Let's watch the replay and see if there are any violations.

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All time are in game time, chat in chat time:

1 min 5 sec AFTER the game starts - DG finally picks a hero and picked axe.
1 min 50 sec - only 45 sec in the game, DG types GG WP after grey died md (FB in the game)
(04:27 / All) IneedaName: GG WP

3 min 30 - Axe first death, dg's first FF (of many later on)
(06:00 / Allied) IneedaName: already over
(06:05 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff

Being an ass isn't bannable, but here's the problem:
4:16 to 14:10 - Axe goes neutraling, leaving lane, ignoring team. Total jungling/afk time - roughly 10 mins.

13:45 - This is interesting. Watch his behavior with fog off. Looks like maphack, he is matching his movement with the enemy in the jungle step-by-step he knew they were there despite having no vision.

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15:02 - Zeus' complaint here is not justified since axe is actually playing. LC and SA jumped scourge players nearby, he responded, a little late, but it was reasonable. I think at this point scourge just so fed up with him. But this part below is wrong, axe was playing at this point.
(17:04 / All) Roxornub: AXE AFK
(17:05 / All) Roxornub: LOL
(17:05 / Allied) DRACULA-: its this axe
(17:11 / All) Roxornub: wow
(17:13 / All) Roxornub: fucking axe
(17:27 / All) DRACULA-: can we kick?
(17:30 / All) DRACULA-: he keeps going back in and out

17:18 - Axe ignores teammates when they ask him to initiate fights. They were not wrong. Axe needs to initiate. Ignoring teammates when they asking for help is being an ass, but shouldn't be bannable.
(19:41 / Allied) Roxornub: axe
(19:43 / Allied) Roxornub: u have to
(19:49 / Allied) IneedaName: !ignore rox
(19:49 / Allied) Roxornub: u have to go first
(19:56 / Allied) Roxornub: keep killing sb

18:11 - This complaint by the scourge is unjustified too. 2 teammates were right there creeping with axe, including the player telling him to stop creeping. Talk about hypocrisy.
(20:04 / Allied) Roxornub: STOP CREEPING
(20:06 / Allied) Roxornub: GOD DAM
(20:35 / Allied) Roxornub: TERRIBLE
(20:37 / Allied) Roxornub: AXE

18:46 - Team fight in mid. Axe standing in the fog refusing to help teammates. Finally jumps in after a teammate died and enemy died. Either blatantly ignoring to help teammates or just really bad playing.

22:34 - Not sure about this one. Team calls for axe to initiate, he runs around, wasting time until rhasta ulted, then he initiated but team couldn't back him up b/c riki was on them.
(25:05 / Allied) Roxornub: axe
(25:05 / Allied) Roxornub: go
(25:11 / Allied) DRACULA-: axe is ruining
(25:13 / Allied) DRACULA-: now do u believ me
(25:14 / Allied) Roxornub: this gg
(25:17 / Allied) DRACULA-: ake
(25:59 / Allied) totalchaos2: axe is doing alot better than the rest of u dumb fuks
(26:01 / Allied) totalchaos2: so pls stfu

Honestly, I don't want to watch from this point on b/c doesn't look like he's really intentionally ruining the game. He's just not a very good axe. He rushed a blink yet he doesn't use it to initiate properly and lets the enemy break the line on his INT allies. Doesn't help that the enemy has a riki, SB, and LC with lothar. And rushing BM before a VG? Come on, that's just elementary. Also, axe has an effective time limit, by mid game he becomes less effecive, and by lategame against most heroes, he's useless. So wasting that 10 min early game to farm a blink demonstrates he doesn't know the basic fundamentals of axe.

But still, Lina is correct, the rest of the team is worse. I mean, at least 2 scourges including zeus have a euls and I haven't seen them use it effectively to evade riki or sb when charged. The teamfight mid at 28 mins, axe initiated, but nothing he could do because bara charges the support heroes the moment he sees them followed by riki and lothared LC.


EDIT: I'll quickly finish watching the rest, since the description stated some issue in lategame.

(33:30 / Allied) DRACULA-: -afk
(33:32 / Allied) totalchaos2: -afk
(33:36 / Allied) DRACULA-: !timestamp 29:50
(33:41 / Allied) DRACULA-: hes gone---
He was afk for a little bit, but nothing enough to justify afk. Either he was waiting for gold or he needed to pick his nose, but the time is too short to matter.

32:40 - he was at this teamfight. scourge lost 1st rax, bc 4 heroes ran after to kill riki instead of killing rhasta's wards.

(37:03 / Allied) DRACULA-: axe is hiding in base
(37:05 / Allied) DRACULA-: all game
(38:03 / Allied) DRACULA-: hes in fucking base
(38:04 / Allied) DRACULA-: at fountain
This is blatantly wrong. Axe wasn't hiding in base all game. Zeus just lost a bunch of credibility here. At this point you guys are just blaming him for everything despite the fact how poorly you played. You went level 1 dagon before refresher? I mean, a guinsoo would probably be nicer too.

(50:17 / Allied) DRACULA-: and axe is creeping
(50:18 / Allied) DRACULA-: hahahahaha
(50:21 / Allied) Roxornub: zzz
(50:22 / Allied) DRACULA-: hahhaahah
(50:28 / Allied) DRACULA-: and u still dont want to kick
(50:43 / Allied) DRACULA-: hes hiding all game
This is another blatant lie by zeus. Axe was defending top and pushed the lane out then went back to base to shop. A few scourges decided to rush mid without him. Why is that his fault? Axe's playing actually got better as the game progressed. And he most certainly wasn't hiding all game.

48:49 - a beautiful blink and call, and turns out besides Lina, rest of YOU guys were hiding in the base.

52:05 - axe tanking in sentinel base, several BB to fight him, looks like PA there with full hp didn't help. probably would've killed them all if he did.

After finishing the replay, I'm actually leaning even more to axe's side on this BRQ. He played well in lategame.

Summary:
Afk jungling for 10 mins from 4:16-14:10, this would depend mod to mod. Some mods would ban this, some won't. Let's see who you get for this BRQ.

Other than that, he's an ass, a troll, and not a teamplayer. But if that is bannable, then most DOTA players on ENT should be banned. So... I don't think so. I don't think there's a "ff abuse" either, if there is he should get one for spamming ff.

Mods might want to take a look at his movements around 13:45, seems very suspicious moving step-by-step with the enemy in the fog.

Other than that, I doubt he will be banned. In fact, he played amazingly well late game in comparison to his early game. I wouldn't have known that if I didn't finish watching the replay. Fact is, Zeus is more of the liability, going dagon? before refresher or guinsoo? Stop blaming other people for your bad play.

As I've said many times, 1st battle is choosing the right counter heroes. Scourge picked poorly, was an uphill fight all game. Axe made it possible for it to come this close tbh, should've ended much earlier.

[artifacts]

I'll agree with u on most on ur points, since ur mostly on my side..so thanks for taking the time to watch the replay, as did i.
I definitely do not MH, ive been on ENT since 2013 and never, ever have needed or even know what a MH consists of..but feel free to check.
AFK jungling? i let Mort farm lane so she could possibly carry/get fed..yes i was clearly jungling for my items,Blink, Heart, then BM..but to call it AFK-ing, i have to disagree

[CountChocula96]

He did not play well at all. Unless you think "playing well" as axe is hiding, letting low hp allies tank a fight, and then blinking in to boost kda ++. Or going solo lane. But I guess that's "playing well" according to you. Also, how about the fact that he was the only one trying to ff literally 10 times?

(06:05 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(12:15 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(15:19 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(16:55 / All) IneedaName: !ff
(31:40 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(34:46 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(37:01 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(40:11 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(47:41 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(57:43 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff

What good players try to ff on purpose whole game? Also, he WAS afk. You can check replay at the times I provided. He was afk at most important point in game, when throne was about to fall, and he went afk on purpose. He cost us the game not only by ruining, but also literally by going afk when he could've saved throne at the end. He needs ban for that alone.

[CountChocula96]

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you are missing a lot of commentary. What about the fact he just walks past 4 rhasta wards attacking a 100 hp rax? What about the fact he just stays in base and lets them throne when he could've stopped them and everyone is telling him to attack? How about the fact he never buysback from 5,000 gold and base is about to fall? How exactly is that not purposeful ruining? Going afk, not attacking, staying in fog, blinking in at last second to get kda++. Also your quotes from chat are selective, you type this as game chat:

(25:59 / Allied) totalchaos2: axe is doing alot better than the rest of u dumb fuks
(26:01 / Allied) totalchaos2: so pls stfu
(26:08 / Allied) DRACULA-: no he's not
(26:13 / Allied) Roxornub: yeah
(26:14 / Allied) Roxornub: hes deff

The real chat log is:

(25:59 / Allied) totalchaos2: axe is doing alot better than the rest of u dumb fuks
(26:01 / Allied) totalchaos2: so pls stfu
(26:08 / Allied) DRACULA-: no he's not
(26:13 / Allied) Roxornub: yeah
(26:14 / Allied) Roxornub: hes deff
(26:14 / Allied) DRACULA-: we'd have 10 towers by now if he knew how to paly axe
(26:15 / Allied) Roxornub: not
(26:21 / Allied) Roxornub: ur retarded'


You claim he played well, and then you admit he was one of the most terrible axes you ever saw. That's called ruining. There is no such thing as being extremely bad and extremely good at the same time. It's called a fairly good player was playing horribly on purpose, only caring about kda and not game. He deserves ban for the AFKs at important moments if nothing else. But he was ruining 100% by staying in fog and letting low hp initiate, or going jungling for 10 minutes straight like u just admitted.

Fact is, 3/4 allies wanted him gone. Me, Roxornub, and Neptune_X all had this axe on ignore, and wanted to VK him all game for ruining.

(21:26 / Allied) Neptune_X: useless axe
(30:21 / Allied) Neptune_X: jesus this axe
(30:23) AGELOS killed this.riki
(30:25 / Allied) Neptune_X: should quit dota

Even Lina by the end got pissed:

(32:49 / Allied) totalchaos2: axe?

Our whole team hated him during the game, basically.

[artifacts]

So because I'm not the best axe player, I'm game ruining lol and the fact that you picked Zeus and ur shittt items, I guess that's my fault too.

And typing !ff isn't against the rules, that's why the ff option is there, did I over do it a bit, sure, only to annoy u, after u being a dick all game long. Ur AFK accusations are a joke, everything you're trying to bring up has already been debunked. Get over urself. The game ruining that u speak of is a joke, I played better than u, and did more for the team..ur full of shit.

[nitromon]

I rarely reply again to a thread I already posted my analysis, mostly b/c I don't care for drama and also because I don't have much more to add. As you can tell, I watched the replay quite thoroughly and I gave a really objective analysis, faulting the errors of both party.

However, at this point, I really think Zeus needs to watch the replay. Much of what you are saying, including what you said in the chat during the game, are what I consider "emotionally compromised." It is how you "feel" about the game and not actually what happened. While I agree with you that it was inappropriate for him to jungle for 10 mins early game, but I think this action really set you off. From this moment on, you already made up your mind about axe and you did not view him objectively. You made several accusations that were completely false upon reviewing the replay.

After his 10 min jungling to get the blink, axe played like any other normal player and was involved pretty much in every team fight. His playing actually got better as the game progressed especially after he got a heart, he became more aggressive. In fact, much of what I commented early about his lack of initiation in first 20-25 mins of play is due to not getting that VG before BM. So he was hesitating to initiate. I take back the comments suggesting he might be intentionally not initiating after watching his play with a heart.

Nobody plays a perfect game and you are faulting him on every little thing, yet ignoring the many errors of your other teammates and including yourself. Objectively speaking, he didn't ruin this game. If anything, he prolonged it with very impressive lategame axe. I was surprised to see scourges were actually able to rax, I thought the game was way over before that.

It is not his job to "win the game for you." DOTA is a team game and every players contribution counts. He's not even the carry. He had a poor start, but he finished strong. The game was an uphill battle all game for scourges b/c of poor hero choices. Shouldn't fault any single player for the loss. If anything, again your choice of items is more of a liability, should he request a BRQ on you for game ruining by going dagon on zeus before finish key items? Or not even using your euls to escape SA and SB? You didn't play a perfect game either, but you didn't do anything which violated the rules and in all honesty, neither did he with the exception of that 10 min jungling, which is for the mods to decide. But because he finished strong, I highly doubt he will receive a ban for that. But that's not my decision.

Let it go and stop wasting mods time with these kinds of BRQs. This is very obvious a revenge BRQ b/c of that 10 jungling, but you have to be objective.

[artifacts]

Thank you @nitromon well said.

[CountChocula96]

No offense, but I truly believe you don't have a logical brain to see the game. You do not take into account any negative actions, only positive ones. You just see what you want to see that shows that Axe played fairly. Ruining is not just suicide into towers 10 times. The more clever players in DotA troll on purpose by trying to throw with staying in fog while low hp allies fight right near them, for example. Or, to give another example that happened literally this game, by running past 5 rhasta wards attacking a 100 hp rax and not even trying to stop them. Again, Axe broke the rules, he deserves ban for afk at end of game to let throne fall when we were pinging and telling him to attack. Period. That is breaking the rules. You don't have to call it ruining (call it what you want, maybe intentional AFK to lose the game?), but it is bannable or it is a slap in the face for other people who get banned for the same thing.

Also, you keep mentioning 'dagon Zeus' could be ruining, but that is entirely illogical. It is how the player plays, not what items they have. I used dagon constantly, and it was a very good build in fights. That's why I have 26 assists in the game and Axe has the least in the whole game. Saying just because I went dagon = ruining is entirely illogical, while my BRQ is filled with timestamps and evidence. Now, if you say I got dagon and went to creep for 10 minutes, rarely was in fight, and went AFK when I could've saved the throne, then you might have a case for ruining.

[artifacts]

So trolling according to you, is staying in fog until its convenient to attack, isnt that more of smart tactic?
And trying to save a 100hp rax against rhastas wards is pointless, but nice try again.
U mean i stayed in fountain after PA rage quit and base was full with creeps and throne was 3/4 dead. Game was over, stop being so ignorant..that in no way was intentional or game ruining..and u keep saying i went AFK but ur full of shit, ur so called time stamps prove nothing, but u being a dick, trying to Votekick and lying to try and get me kicked, but nice try again

[Merex]

I think that's enough.

[Essenze]

There was couple times where he AFK'd while healing (sometimes not) for less than 30 seconds which never affected the game. I don't understand this ban request on him, in all honesty. He had best score in your team although he had the less assists. Not once he purposely refused to fight/defend and he participated 99% of teamfights. But I could say a lot about you, Roxornub & Neptune_X toxicity entire game towards him & abusing VK against him because he didn't play the way you wanted him to play. The worst in this is that you talk like he's actually game ruining so it can get him banned, but sorry, here at ENT we actually watch replays and not just chat, good try though Goldbach.

Toxic:

Spoiler!

(06:05 / Allied) IneedaName: !ff
(06:10 / Allied) Neptune_X: !ignore name
(06:17 / Allied) DRACULA-: !ignore name
(17:04 / All) Roxornub: AXE AFK
(17:05 / All) Roxornub: LOL
(17:05 / Allied) DRACULA-: its this axe
(17:11 / All) Roxornub: wow
(17:13 / All) Roxornub: fucking axe
(17:27 / All) DRACULA-: can we kick?
(17:30 / All) DRACULA-: he keeps going back in and out
(20:04 / Allied) Roxornub: STOP CREEPING
(20:06 / Allied) Roxornub: GOD DAM
(20:35 / Allied) Roxornub: TERRIBLE
(20:37 / Allied) Roxornub: AXE

VK abuse against farming & healing Axe:

Spoiler!

(12:21 / Allied) Neptune_X: !votekick name
(12:21 / Allied) DRACULA-: -afk
(12:25 / Allied) DRACULA-: !yes
(12:25 / All) IneedaName: Player [DRACULA-] voted to kick player [IneedaName]. 5 more votes are needed to pass.
(12:26 / All) DRACULA-: hes afk
(12:35 / Allied) DRACULA-: !sd name
(12:36 / Allied) hmon: -afk
(12:47 / All) DRACULA-: hes afk in base
(13:41 / Allied) DRACULA-: !votekick name
(13:45 / All) DRACULA-: kick
(13:50 / All) Roxornub: !yes
(13:54 / Allied) Neptune_X: !yes
(14:02 / All) DRACULA-: hes been afk
30:03 / Allied) DRACULA-: !unignore name
(30:11 / Allied) DRACULA-: dont talk too much or i ignore again
(30:21 / Allied) Neptune_X: jesus this axe
(30:25 / Allied) Neptune_X: should quit dota
(31:49 / Allied) DRACULA-: axe remember what i said
(31:51 / Allied) DRACULA-: u can get ignored
(40:38 / Allied) DRACULA-: he's at fucking run
(40:39 / Allied) DRACULA-: can we kick
(42:34 / Allied) DRACULA-: DEWARD
(42:35 / Allied) DRACULA-: MORON

Note:
(25:59 / Allied) totalchaos2: axe is doing alot better than the rest of u dumb fuks
(26:01 / Allied) totalchaos2: so pls stfu

Denied.

@CountChocula96