Fangorn - Maphacking

[neoanderson]

hahahahahahahahahahahaa lol

[QTriNitY]

I will review it.

[QTriNitY]

Relax.. I want to see the clicks for myself.

[Fangorn]

Awaiting more admins to review this, considering the quantity of games I have here, aswell as the reputation.
I have never tried maphacking, so I don't get where this "fogclick" originates. I clicked nerub while scouted by the ward on the ancient ramp.

[QTriNitY]

48:57 was the FCD timer. DRM showed click was done on 49:02. A delay on Fangorn's connectivity to the BOT by 5 secs. Fangorn was lagging.
Referring to the pics, 48:54 was the last vision of NA. Click was on 48:57. 3 secs. Thus its a delayed click.

49:02 <Fangorn> 0x19: Select subgroup: [Nerubian Assassin], 0x0000DE16000061B7
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This is a delayed click.

Evidence of his bad lag.

[Fangorn]

@agreements sort this out, asap?

Edit: you should thank @qtrinity for saving you from doing a huge mistake

[QTriNitY]

Agreements, the DRM clearly showed Fangorn was lagging by 5 secs. Click was 3 secs after last vision. It is truly a delayed click. Are there any more clicks from this replay or is this the only click?

[Fangorn]

Take to your senses and make the right decision for once. qtrinity just posted proof that it is a DELAYED fogclick. And yes, the lags were present throughout the game.

[QTriNitY]

Ok, then i will show you another selection which didnt ring the bell but displayed a lag on him.

I will pick a selection by him on legaras the Vile. Brb.

[QTriNitY]

Hey, I am not defending him because his a friend to me. But lets be constructive. A 3 sec delayed click is not sufficient to nail any player for Map Hack.

[Fangorn]

Yes, get the other stacker to post more "proofs" please. On the prediction parts: watch the replay and you notice I was constantly ganked by two invis, na and lothardoom. Now what do you think my mentality in such a game is? Yes, finger on G, ready to ball out at any times. Everyone were missing nearly all the time, wards were used. It's only natural that I would have fast reaction, as long as the lagg wasn't worse than the usual 1s.

Also, watch carefully all the times i WAS getting ganked. Wouldn't a hacker just dodge those ganks?

+ the lags were in intervals, so i did not have 5s delay at ALL times

[QTriNitY]

The following click is taken after Fangorn reconnected by GProxy and before the Fog Click instance.

34:06 shows the 1st moment of selection by Fangorn done on Legaras the Vile.
DRM says 34:09. The difference between Fangorn and the BOT was 3 secs different.

34:09 <Fangorn> 0x19: Select subgroup: [Leragas The Vile], 0x00005B3B00005B3B
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Now, lets compare Agreement's clicks on Legaras the Vile. From the following, your 1st selection on this shop was 10:39 and the DRM recorded 10:40. 1 sec delayed.
Compared to Fangorn's shop selection of 3 secs, it truly showed he was lagging more than you.

10:40 <Cloudish> 0x19: Select subgroup: [Leragas The Vile], 0x00005C0E00005C0E
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Lets get back to the click you stated by him on you (NA). It was 3 seconds after last vision. Already he was suffering a 3 secs delay on Legaras the Vile, this click is not valid of a MH.

For a click by Fangorn to be valid of a Fog Click, it must more 5 secs from last vision because he was already lagging by 3 secs.

Example, last vision 1:00. Click done 1:06. Put into account he lags 3 secs with the BOT, his click will be 3 secs too late <-- This is definitely MH.

Thus for the click on NA to be a map hack click, he has to select at and after 49:00 (Last Vision 48:54)

Everyone makes mistakes. We all have our fair share of carelessness. Just hope that we clear the air and get non guilty players back to their games.

48:57 was the FCD timer. DRM showed click was done on 49:02. A delay on Fangorn's connectivity to the BOT by 5 secs. Fangorn was lagging.
Referring to the pics, 48:54 was the last vision of NA. Click was on 48:57. 3 secs. Thus its a delayed click.

49:02 <Fangorn> 0x19: Select subgroup: [Nerubian Assassin], 0x0000DE16000061B7
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This is a delayed click.

Evidence of his bad lag.

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[aRt)Y]

There're no fog clicks for the whole game and in general fangorn hasn't been reported for maphack and suddenly he fog clicks after 51 minutes ingame?

DRM: [62811] 51:04 Player: Fangorn 0x19: Select subgroup [Nerubian Assassin, object=0x0000DE16000061B7]

From a neutral point of view: Most if not all players are not getting banned for one click which is that close to the fog with the risk of being delayed.

Some math: Running the replay on very slow speed, we'll notice that the fog lasts longer than the :52 (actually some milliseconds more).
The click appeared at 51:04:000 (no milliseconds, proved).

Conclusion: So he had 1 second, plus some milliseconds (200-400 max) to make that click.
As stated above, that proof isn't fully stable. I suggest to check more replays to get a better evidence or add moments of suspicious behavior.
Looking at the pictures itself without considering the milliseconds, it surely looks like maphack based on the timer - but that's nothing we should rely on.

[QTriNitY]

Ok, i will try explaining from my view of the situation. Brb.

[TakeNRun]

I'd just like to put out there, at times I've had about 400ping and had almost 7seconds delay.