[Dota] kdo)soe,techies4ever,olieb,polskiorzel87@euope.battle.net, ifeed@useast.battle.net

[IWinIfyoulose]

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 864074.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] DotA arem us/ca #28
Your Warcraft III Username: IwinIfyoulose
Violator's Warcraft III Username: kdo)soe, Techies4ever, iFeed, olIeb and polskiorzel87
Violated Rule(s): kdo)soe send out wolfs (when hero not working) Insted of leaving. Techis4ever, IFeed, olIeb and polskiorzel87 refuse to kick him.
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): 30-41:30 Lycan just send out wolfs.
Any further thoughts: I explain for him that he easy can do a ban appeal for leaving when hero stop working but he decide to stay, Sure we win the game but Im pretty sure he would done the same if we not. They not wanna kick Lycan that afking because we not kick feder rubrick (just really bad, got a really lane bot and get no farm) (40:29 / All) iFeed: just like u didnt vote out our feeders im not voting
(40:31 / All) iFeed: !no

[BeerLord]

I have seen lycan broken in games. I dont believe there are any rules relating to what to do when your hero is glitching. He did try to continue playing by sending out his wolves, and then sending his hero out again near the end of the game when he apparently could control him once more. The advice to leave and appeal the ban is good, but this process can sometimes take an hour or two when the mods are busy, so I can understand lycans reluctance to do this. The votekick issue is also tough because although the sentinel players could see lycan's level was not progressing, they could also see he was involved in some way because of the continued presence of his wolves, and his hero movements negated the value of the -afk command. Conceivably he could have been just a bad player creeping in the woods. So from their viewpoint I can excuse their reluctance to vote (even with a couple of them saying "well u didnt kick our feeders so....".

I would recommend a verbal warning to kdo)soe to leave the game and appeal the ban should a similar problem arise, but since it did not affect the outcome of the game in any way I would not issue a ban here.

Likewise, I would not issue a ban for failure to votekick for reasons stated above.

[IWinIfyoulose]

I can agree on Lycan, that glitch sucks.

This however got no excuse, and even a "bad player" should try to play in team.

(35:33 / All) Techies4ever: lol
(35:39 / All) Techies4ever: rubik 0-12
(35:40 / Allied) IwinIfyoulose: lycan
(35:44 / All) IwinIfyoulose: Its afker
(35:44 / All) feuk1: yeah so hes afk
(35:45 / All) feuk1: ?
(36:02 / All) Papayaz: yes it pl
(36:11 / All) Techies4ever: lol wait 5 mins noob
(36:31 / All) IwinIfyoulose: moving hero a little
(36:42 / All) olIeb: then he not afk
(36:57 / All) Papayaz: he's not playing at base, moving a bit, to not be afk
(Kinda saying, hey, I not votekick before you kicked our Rubrick feder)

(37:50 / All) IwinIfyoulose: -afk
(37:55 / All) IwinIfyoulose: "noone is afk"
(37:59 / All) IwinIfyoulose: but he not plauoing?
(38:07 / All) IwinIfyoulose: he behinde fountain and u refuse to kick?

(40:29 / All) iFeed: just like u didnt vote out our feeders im not voting
(40:31 / All) iFeed: !no

There is no "issue" about what's happening in this game. When 3 players in the other team telling what wrong a player do it should be more than enough prove to kick the player. Im 99,999% sure they would have kicked Lycan if we kicked their Rubrick first...

[BeerLord]

People on the opposing team do, on occasion, even in twos or threes, lie about reasons to votekick somebody. Now obviously that wasnt the case here, but just as obviously the opposing team could not be expected to know that at the time the votekicks were initiated. Contentious trash talking not withstanding ("just like u didnt vote out our feeders..."), in light of the fact that inappropriate votekicking is also bannable, I think it is excusable to be cautious before voting.

[child]

Denied. I'm not sure what to do about the lycan glitch, but really it is in no way any fault of the user and they do not deserve to have to leave and be autobanned for it.

you won the game anyways.