PoopingtonBear BAN appeal

[Poopingtonbear]

Maybe I am reading this incorrectly.

I downloaded the parser and from 24:06-24:08 I have:

24:06 Player: DavidChang 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: 3602.178223, Y: -3963.469727, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: FireBirdyourAss 0x18: Select hotkey. group: 0x00, unknown: 0x03
24:07 Player: DavidChang 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: 3261.674072, Y: -4118.393066, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: burinn 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: -415.569641, Y: -833.722534, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: FireBirdyourAss 0x18: Select hotkey. group: 0x00, unknown: 0x03
24:07 Player: DavidChang 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: 3238.909424, Y: -4109.479004, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: burinn 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: -374.921570, Y: -833.722656, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: wiscacho 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0040, ItemID: 0x000D0278, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: -948.653992, Y: -908.518433, ID: 0x000073C5 0000F4BA
24:07 Player: DavidChang 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: 3382.564697, Y: -3775.318359, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: DavidChang 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: 3231.288574, Y: -3938.317871, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: FireBirdyourAss 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: -5836.386719, Y: -6239.269043, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: jumpinjackflash 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: -1394.798340, Y: -186.497070, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:07 Player: DavidChang 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: 3188.391602, Y: -3938.317871, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF
24:08 Player: FireBirdyourAss 0x12: Ability. flags: 0x0000, ItemID: 0x000D0003, unknownA: 0xFFFFFFFF, unknownB: 0xFFFFFFFF, X: -5905.126465, Y: -6217.560547, ID: 0xFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFF

Am I missing something?

[EdgeOfChaos]

What is that supposed to prove?

[Poopingtonbear]

Why does everyone assume that I am lying? First that I am trolling, now that I am deleting logs... is it guilty until proven innocent here?

I am not deleting logs. Of course, I really can't prove that I'm not deleting logs either. If you guys would show me how to pull the log, I can get the same conclusion as you guys and this would be resolved yes.

This is a bit personal for me because I feel strongly that said moderator is abusing his privileges.

Agreements: I don't know what constitutes a waste of your time, so I apologize if this is the case.

I genuinely was AFK to be with my family, and I was nowhere near a computer until I came back to resume the game. So here are your answers.

1) I was AFK for the course of minutes in the neutral on Scourge side.

2) I have not used any sort of third party programs - including hacks of any kind or the aforementioned - AFK script - when it comes to dota. Although I will probably start using ENT Connect after this.

[Palsgraf]

This is a bit personal for me because I feel strongly that said moderator is abusing his privileges.

Everyone feels the moderator who bans them is abusing his privileges.

Why does everyone assume that I am lying? First that I am trolling, now that I am deleting logs... is it guilty until proven innocent here?

It is not guilty until proven innocent. There is already a substantial amount of evidence establishing your guilt. Now the burden has shifted to you to discount the substantial amount of evidence against you.

We assume you are lying because there is objective evidence demonstrating that you selected your hero and other areas of the map during the time that you were supposedly AFK with your family. As agreements stated, this leaves us to conclude either 1) you are, indeed, lying about going AFK, or 2) using some sort of illegal third-party program to select your hero over and over again during the time you were allegedly AFK. There is simply no other rational conclusion given the evidence before us.

Agreements: I don't know what constitutes a waste of your time, so I apologize if this is the case.

It is a waste of a moderator's or administrator's time to deal with frivolous ban appeals. It is not a waste of our time when there is a genuine issue of fact to examine. In this case, there is no genuine issue of fact to examine. The evidence is overwhelmingly against you and you have put forward no case to explain that evidence, yet you continue to assert your innocence. For us, that is a waste of time.

@poopingtonbear

[BurritoCarcass]

Well, you asked for other moderator input, so here it is:

First I have a few questions that will lead to my supporting this or not.

1) Why would you afk in the woods?
2) There was a zeus ult during this afk period, personally, if I see someone "afk" after a zeus ult, I go kill them, enemy team did not, how does that work?
3) According to those click records, you were not actually afk for the entire period of 299 seconds, was there someone on the other team you were allowing to win?
4) The reason I feel as if this question has any importance is because of the time you elected to afk, a very pivotal point in the game. Is this simply a coincidence or was there a motive to your actions?

As far as my opinion is concerned, you have out right earned this ban, and based on this "click history," I would ban you longer. I have a great deal of suspicion aimed in your direction for not only afk dodging/game ruining, but also for throwing the game for possible friends on Sentinel. I will do my best to prove either scenario. For future reference, click your hero to the fountain if you want to pretend afk. Also, mention it to your team. I will wait for your response.

[Palsgraf]

@poopingtonbear FYI: This appeal will be denied and moved to processed 12 hours after your last reply. Note that the clock will reset if you respond to our inquiries. Furthermore, if you response is satisfactory, we may approve your appeal.

The takeaway from this is that there is a time limit for you to respond. If you do not respond within that time, you effectively waive your right to appeal.

[EdgeOfChaos]

Why does everyone assume that I am lying? First that I am trolling, now that I am deleting logs... is it guilty until proven innocent here?

I am not deleting logs. Of course, I really can't prove that I'm not deleting logs either. If you guys would show me how to pull the log, I can get the same conclusion as you guys and this would be resolved yes.

This is a bit personal for me because I feel strongly that said moderator is abusing his privileges.

Agreements: I don't know what constitutes a waste of your time, so I apologize if this is the case.

I genuinely was AFK to be with my family, and I was nowhere near a computer until I came back to resume the game. So here are your answers.

1) I was AFK for the course of minutes in the neutral on Scourge side.

2) I have not used any sort of third party programs - including hacks of any kind or the aforementioned - AFK script - when it comes to dota. Although I will probably start using ENT Connect after this.

You are innocent until proven guilty. But I provided some pretty damning evidence in my previous post with the logs. DRM says that you clicked multiple things during the time you were "afk". There's no point saying that you were afk now, DRM says otherwise. At this point, we're just giving you a chance to explain yourself, without the lies.

To view the logs yourself, pull up DRM, open the replay, select PoopingtonBear in the drop-down box near the top, and fine 24:07 time. Click an event near that time, press the Next button, and see all your clicks for yourself. I just posted a fraction.