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[ID] nabby1234@europe

Postby Nat » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:23 pm

Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 472821.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] Island Defense #57
Your Warcraft III Username: NatAnAlt
Violator's Warcraft III Username: nabby1234
Violated Rule(s): Suspected Maphack
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): Timestamps in spoiler
Any further thoughts: Just beginning of this post. Will add more replays soon.

Spoiler!
In this game, his first 3 pearls are: Mid left (miss), Top left (hit), Top right (miss). Very odd as this is not always his first pearls.

2:14 Turns around/decides not to run west but go hit the morph lb that he didn't know was there.

3:23 Notice how he pearls as sat runs out a little attempting to dust him.

11:29 Although sat was golding 1 by 1, he still pearls just as sat gets next to his mini.

13:32 Sat is about to steal 1 gold and b. You would think it legit at first, but he has his mini selected - and pearls mound, just after sat got the gold. If you think about it properly, why would he pearl mound all of a sudden with nothing to have provoked him to? The first movement was about to be an auto attack but he pearled and canceled it, nuked and went back to focus main.

14:12 Another mid pearl as sat approaches gold.

17:18 Moves top left of mound and pearls mid as sat is there.

21:52 Pearls on sats head.

23:02 Strangest place to pearl ever. It reveals next to nothing important other than a possible lb that barely anyone uses and maybe an rc.... Sat happened to be there running north.

31:17 Pearls gobo base top right as it's just going up.

36:20 Pearls on top of skybase/nat's base as he is right next to it, no idea he was basing there. He was only attacked moments before he pearled. Very sus.


It was very odd how more than 70% of his pearls were of mid or not far from mid. One could definitely argue that there were a few missed pearls but honestly for how quickly he found gob base, then somehow finding natures base which is one barely ever used, seems like the missed pearls were just cover ups.

However I can understand if you think this is not mh, I have simply put together some suspicious plays from 1 replay.
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Re: [ID] nabby1234@europe

Postby Hash » Sat Oct 15, 2016 2:56 pm

So I did a little digging on this guy and I noticed how in these 2 replays below nabby showed a trend of pearling middle left, then bottom left as his first pearls of the game. Now in these replays there was good feed middle left with lumber bases that were not blocked off, so he could wind-walk into them and get easy feed and/or easy early kills.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=8472617
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=8472529

Now in this replay below, he pearls directly middle of the map, instead of pearling middle left/bottom left like he usually does (in the past 3 replays including the one Nat posted, he did not pearl middle once as his first pearl). As if he knew tauren had a lumber base right below middle, also as if he knew he wouldn't be able to get an easy wind-walk kill on murloc at the middle left lumber base because murloc had a fruit blocking the entrance. Now non map-hacking titans usually follow a consistent pearl route that they always follow. All of a sudden this guy pearls middle first, and doesn't even pearl bottom left early game like he did in the 2 replays above (probably because there is no feed at bottom left in this game).

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=8469922

2:50 Titan is in wind-walk clearly heading west then all of a sudden...
2:51 Titan doubles back and starts heading south east right towards the demo. Demo was not in his line of vision until after titan was on a clear path towards the demo. Looks like pretty obvious map-hack to me.
3:23 Titan pearls middle again right when Sat was walking by him. Seems a bit suspicious here.
7:20 tauren is last seen going top right from the mound, titan just used 2 pearls to pearl middle, and top leftish, no builders were seen in the top left area when he pearled.
7:31 Titan is in wind-walk looks like he's chasing down tauren from afar without having any knowledge that tauren would be around there considering tauren was last seen going top right.
7:43 Titan is all of a sudden super close to tauren, without having any vision of the tauren the whole time, and pearls perfectly to where he'd see the tauren. Now titan had just pearled this spot like 30 seconds ago and saw no builders, why would he walk all the way there in ww to pearl it again? Seems like pretty obvious map-hack again.
19:15 Titan literally sends all 3 of his minions to kill one satyr den at the top left. Now why not just send one minion to kill that one den, its almost like he knew a base was there and sent all 3 of his minions top left because he was about to siege the base. Seems very suspicious to me.

Now after reviewing these past four replays it seems me to like this guy nabby does map-hack. He goes literally 2-4 minutes at a time without scouting pearls, but 9/10 of his pearls are a hit. He always seems to get early game kills. His pearling route is inconsistent, seems like he happens to pearl exactly where the feed is early game. Which all add up to it looking like map-hack. Plus my time-stamps at 2:51 and 7:43 look like super obvious map-hack to me. Now I would like to get an Island Defense ENT mod to review this, and see how they feel about this guy. If there is any suspicion from one of you that makes you think he might map-hack but you feel that this thread does not have enough evidence for a one year map-hack ban, I would gladly go through more of his replays to find more evidence.

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Re: [ID] nabby1234@europe

Postby Merex » Sat Oct 15, 2016 5:00 pm

In Replay Time -
ID #57 provided by Nat

2:14 Seems like scouting.
3:23 Not really suspicious. Seems like a logical thing to do since he was lagging out and there was a sat in the game.
11:29 Sat was already golding 1 by 1, why wouldn't you try to kill?
13:32 Only mildly suspicious. I mean, you were already golding every now and then. But I agree, that timing was a little too convenient.
14:12 Again, that timing. I'll call it suspicious at this point.
17:18 Not suspicious. He pearls mid, the fact you came into radius was just convenience + you were already around mid pretty much all game.
21:52 I'll call it suspicious but keep in mind, most titans who are regularly experienced would always pearl for a sat. I'd do it if I didn't know where he was.
23:02 Could've just been scouting for things.. I will call it minor suspicion though given the other pearls of this game.
31:17 I will call that suspicious.
Even though some of these are indeed a suspicious, some titans tend to play more instinctive because of a Sat and so forth. Only real suspicions I can call for is the consistent 14:12 and 13:32 followed by the 31 minute which Imo isn't enough to ban at this point in time.

I will review the rest and see what I find then conclude a final ruling. Locked till then.
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Re: [ID] nabby1234@europe

Postby Merex » Sun Oct 16, 2016 9:50 pm

In Replay Time -
ID #97 provided by Hash

2:51 Suspicious. No reason for him to take a hard south east like that nor any indication of demo approaching.
3:23 Calling this Suspicious. Watching in 1/2 time, his moves sync directly with sat right the second he pearls, generally would take any titan at-least a second to realize.
7:31 Suspicious. How would he have known tauren took a left in that specific direction? Not only that but playing it close to the lumber base even pre-pearl.
19:15 And suspicious. Didn't continue moving minions but yet just stood there and pearled the area?

Given the suspicions provided in the initial replay and now showing major signs in this one..

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Re: [ID] nabby1234@europe

Postby Haunt » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:18 pm

The first replay wasn't really that bad, however the second one is really suspicious.

2:51 What Av1oN and especially Hash (in nabby's appeal viewtopic.php?f=7&t=100697#p398239) said. There was no reason to go south like that, and you did not see demo before it was clear that your intention was indeed to kill demo.
3:23 I missed the point, why was this suspicious?
7:31 No vision whatsoever in ~20 seconds and yet he knew exactly where tauren was.
19:15 I sort of missed the suspicious part of this as well

But

Given the first replay and the 2 extremely suspicious actions in the second replay, I side with Av1oN regarding the ban, I too believe nabby hacks.

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Re: [ID] nabby1234@europe

Postby aRt)Y » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:41 am

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