legion td mega 1100+

[GoatsBeGone]

No, ive played ltd for years ^^
I was 2k elo at some point.

nub im 2,2k!

Never the less he is right fewer and fewer members play now, from a year ago or so when we played public games on euro server back then, it was crazy like you couldnt even join for 5 games in a row, all day, every hour of the day, people are simply acknowledging that legion td is very unballanced game, and move on to new games or other parts of wc3, we must just face fact that we are a dying breed, and there is no reason to devide us now we must stand together, play together through good times and bad, there will always be players with bad communication, I can go to mental stage when I sit alone 3 in the night and some "asshole" stays 2/0 for 10 or send a fklsdhsgjkndinh dino on lvl 4 or sell towers and so on. There will always be those persons, just be happy that you can be 100% sure that if you play vs me and adi he will always be on our team ^_^ cause adi you suck

Back then people also played hr bot for a very brief time, but the fact is you cannot have an in-house league and 10 other legion bots, when the player base is so low. the moment lihl opened the hr bot died, i mean instant, most people went lihl, rest started pub again

[eldryan]

HR bot was always dead, that's why LIHL was made.

[tastay]

don't think i have ever seen someone 600 elo who is good

[TheLumberfetish]

@nabo. to your points:

1. players with 0/10 and 500 elo play the game maybe 2 days, then they get frustrated because everybody flames them and they always lose, so they quit.
At the same time people quit the game because there is always one of those players that ruin their game.

I think that will make the community decline way faster than splitting the bot. Low elo players/people that like to send every round and just play Legion on rare ocasions will still have the normal bot, and the bit more advanced players won't get so frustrated. win win situation.

I'm not saying all 1100+ elo players are good players. but in order to get 100 elo on ent bot you have to understand at least the bare minimum to not ruin every game.

2. if you pull a statistic of all players ever played legion on ent don't you think something about 1100 elo will be about the average? so calling it mid elo bot is pretty suited imo

3. as you probably know elo is a method to calculate relative skill levels originated in chess. It is widely spread and therefore i think it is safe to say that from a statistical standpoint a 1100 elo player is much better than a 900 elo player. At least it is sure that he actually won a couple games.

4. since i don't check peoples origin i cannot talk about asians being the problem or not. But i don't think this is relevant either

5. who ever said anything about restricting smurfs? That was and is not my intention. I couldn't care less about smurfs i'm just looking for some fun games.

6. we can't communicate because these people do not respond. I was in that situation many many times and tried very politely to help them and make them play as a team but now i just quit the lobby when someone like that joins. And not only if its on my team!

7. I can't talk about HR bots in the past since i haven't witnessed them. What were the restrictions? I also think i don't want a HR bot but just a no-noob bot. There is a big difference in that please don't mix that up.

[godlik3]

Man if u want good games with good comunication and good players just apply urself to lihl...done!!ez

[TheLumberfetish]

i'm sorry but i have no desire to mass yolo in hope for immo. Also i think cross is much more challenging than solo. There are just many more factors you have to keep in mind, like delay, splits, positioning etc.

[Lisk]

Hmm, as a lower elo player, I learn a lot when I play with higher elo players, because they are better than me. Even though I lose, I learn a lot.

If I only play against bad players, I can play poorly and still win, so it is harder to learn what's actually good.

I think what bothers me is when there are lower elo players, and nobody wants to play on their team, so you have 4x 1100+ vs. 4x <900. I wish some 1100+ would stay on the 900 team every now and then to help them.

[Akitos]

i'm sorry but i have no desire to mass yolo in hope for immo. Also i think cross is much more challenging than solo. There are just many more factors you have to keep in mind, like delay, splits, positioning etc.

Hmm, as a lower elo player, I learn a lot when I play with higher elo players, because they are better than me. Even though I lose, I learn a lot.

If I only play against bad players, I can play poorly and still win, so it is harder to learn what's actually good.

I think what bothers me is when there are lower elo players, and nobody wants to play on their team, so you have 4x 1100+ vs. 4x <900. I wish some 1100+ would stay on the 900 team every now and then to help them.

Over 90% of <1k elo players don't want your help and will most likely even insult you once you try to give them any advice. There is a reason they're on this elo... And that is mostly because they don't want to learn from others. Offer them advice and be rewarded with "gtfo play your own game".

[Diablo_]

Well, it most often depends on how you try to help. If you say something like "tower x isn't that good, better build something else" they will more likely listen than if you say "build this for lvl 4 and that for lvl 5". But ye, it still happens often that they will just ignore it.

Ontopic, I don't think a 1100+ ELO will change much. There are still horrible players, leavers, game ruiners, people who just play solo and don't listen to anything etc. at 1100 ELO. And if you put the ELO to a "reasonable" number games won't fill for sure. Besides that, new bots generally lack players to get started and if they aren't heavily used the first 2 weeks they will just die out as we have seen with the two latest LTD bots (cross and 1vs1 HR - tho for this one I blame the failed start and the still missing optimisation).

[TheLumberfetish]

@akitos really funny but its true. even ihl players are getting sick of yolo every game.

Also tell me why solo should be harder than cross in case both teams double cross? It evens out + you have more factors that you have to keep in mind. you can send harder and more strategical leaving you with many more choices and possibilities.

anyway i think you are just looking for excuses. YOu have a bot thats basically dead, just give it a try.

[godlik3]

on what planet do u think cross is harder than solo...lol...
anyone can play a good cross...its just to ez....but on solo u need the right units income and value for each hard wave...lol man....its like 291382913021% harder play solo than cross

[Akitos]

Y lol, cross is so fkn easy. It forgives so many more mistakes than solo does. If you fuck up the first levels in solo you're most likely fucked for the rest of the game. In cross you can fail as much as u like and you'll still be fine, you'll just have a little less inc, but u'll be fine. Not to mention that 90% of all cross players, even those between 1,5 and 2k elo play noob cross with 3k+ value and less than 50 inc at 10. Every scrub can cross, but i know just a few pubs who play a decent solo.

[Qvist]

I wanna give u some facts -

Crosslane is strong on (1)-(2)-3-4-(5)-6-(7)-8-9-10-11-12-(13)-(14)-15-16- [17] -18-(19)- [20]

Where i placed () around is where cross can face some problems but ofc depends! alot! on units!

1-2-5-7-13-14-19 are levels WHERE I would say sololane is stronger than cross!

As u can see its pretty much only level 19 which are dangerous for The King if u are playing double cross. King should handle the other levels prety eazy.
Some would say level 7 is dangerous also.

Where i placed [] around is where the BIG true difference between cross and sololane - level 17! and level 20!
THESE 2 levels is insane hard to handle in sololane if u get a Demon and a Kraken summon.
80 % of my games end on 17 or 20.

So its pretty simple crosslane is overpowered on the 2 hardest levels in the game and also 2 of the hardest waves versus king.
Why? Because u always clear the first wave = low chance of actually dying on those levels.

My point is cross requires skills and sololane reqiuires skills but both have their weakness. Use them!

[Qvist]

btw bad cross vs good cross geuss who win?

Good double cross vs good sololanes geuss who win? UNITS!

[godlik3]

Doubt....well i held triple demon + kraken on 17 on lihl and didnt even build mutants...i doubt a good croos can hold 2 lanes 6 demons and 2 krakens??
And btw...if the game goes to 31 cross always will lose cuz really bad split on 31