Lothus : trolling vk abuses

[mk4r32]

game name : [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #84
replay link : http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 265255.w3g
violation : vk abuse

(24:40 / Allied) Lothus: !votekick caff
(37:29 / Allied) Lothus: !votekick jyz
(47:15 / Allied) Lothus: !votekick jyz

this filth wants to get carried, spoon fed, and burped all at the same time.

he needs a break

[Credits]

Agreed, he needs a break smh worthless noob.

[MIKEJONES]

Please provide more games that prove !vk abuse is excessive from this player.

For now a warning ban issued.

[RichardCoffee]

Please provide more games that prove !vk abuse is excessive from this player.

For now a warning ban issued.

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 265321.w3g

(12:48 / Allied) Lothus: !votekick jaz
(12:48 / All) TRADER: A votekick against player [Jazzy3II3] has been started by player [Lothus]. 7 votes are needed within 60 seconds to pass.

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 264210.w3g

(11:52 / Allied) Lothus: !votekick lumb
(11:52 / All) boldx: A votekick against player [Lumberjackk] has been started by player [Lothus]. 7 votes are needed within 60 seconds to pass.
(11:52 / All) boldx: Type !yes to vote.
(11:52 / All) boldx: ** Note: !votekick should only be used to kick players breaking a rule. You should not votekick players new to the game!

I do not ordinarily think VK is a big deal at all, but the wider reality is that most people have fundamental problems with Lothos on every front. His gameplay is subpar in that he allows allies to die for no reason and is afraid to go into fights. He resets his stats over and over.
Then he's even votekicking people on top of this for literally no reason? It's particularly frustrating. I guess half the main issue of the request is not just the VK, but also the trolling aspect involved.

[mk4r32]

ok, i was being 100% petty with the vk ban requests which i normally don't report. it stemmed from him flaming when he does the least and starts blaming his team. He uses votekick as an insult to blame someone.

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 265343.w3g

(18:35 / All) JazzyLover: !timestamp bara runs fountian full hp zero charge
(19:36 / All) JazzyLover: !timestamp bara agian no charge full hp
(19:50 / Allied) Lothus: timestamp ur brain faggot

i actually don't want him banned. can you just have him come here and acknowledge that his gameplay is not correct?

He's always the last one in with bara which he often plays. He tanks up early with bracers and vanguard but still refuses to charge unless he can collect a kill.

When he does charge and fails with a death, that's when he starts flaming and starts a votekick on his mate blaming him for his death.

Every game, he gets called out for his late bara charges. He needs to understand it's not just about him surviving and getting kills.

SB is meant to be played as an initiator and a ganker sometimes where his allies can clean up and gain momentum for the carries in expense of his own death.

When he plays ogre, he does the same thing. He goes dagger but is so afraid to jump in and slow/stun. He has to always wait for an ally to jump in first and if that he still runs.

(02:07 / Allied) Lothus: this is my last game on this bot
(02:10 / Allied) Lothus: have fun

Stop lying.... You and Jazzy have said the same so many times but always end up coming back.

[Mangekyo]

Hello,

me jalfrezi. me think vk is just frustration on lothus side. me also use vk for fun/troll ruiner player like caffrey but never excessive, so me think is no real reason as long as is not abusive.

but lothus when he play bara really never charge when team ask but always charge solo when no teamfight... sometime really intentional ruin because team need bara charge in teamfight, then teamfight lose because is no charge... me think lothus need some time for consider his play, idk how long ban but i was ban 3 days not long ago so maybe is fair 5 days because lothus history is longer in me opinion...

gg wp all, jalfrezi love all ent even if flame somtime

[RichardCoffee]

Mike - Right after your post about possibly letting Lothus off with a warning, he had the galaxy brain idea to start doing ignore abuse:

http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 265343.w3g

(30:37 / Allied) Lothus: !ignore lumb
(30:37 / All) 13pointstowin: Player [Lothus] has ignored player [Lumberjackk].

(33:27 / Allied) Lothus: !ignore lumb
(33:27 / All) 13pointstowin: Player [Lothus] has ignored player [Lumberjackk].

(39:19 / Allied) Lothus: !ignore lumb
(39:19 / All) 13pointstowin: Player [Lothus] has ignored player [Lumberjackk].

(45:07 / Allied) Lothus: !ignore lumb
(45:07 / All) 13pointstowin: Player [Lothus] has ignored player [Lumberjackk].

(45:46 / Allied) Lothus: !ignore lumb
(45:46 / All) 13pointstowin: Player [Lothus] has ignored player [Lumberjackk].

[MIKEJONES]

I will speak with this player in game. Stay tuned.

[smolboi]

I will speak with this player in game. Stay tuned.

This dude is a huge fucking loser. He picks sb but wont initiate. If you ask him to, whether through respectful means or not, hell just !ignore you, so theres no real value in trying to communicate with him respectfully. Objective evidence is irrelevant. He could put up shit stats and have a 10% winrate over 50 games but hes the type of dude thats convinced he has all the answers and everyone else is full of shit.

So you start adapting. You know he wont initiate, so you start putting yourself into spots with a hero whos role isnt to initiate hoping that hell react standing 10 frames away, but an entire team fight will go by and he will have not even sniffed the fight. So you end up fighting thinking you have sb support but it never comes.

There are certain dudes in this league who are fags. I wouldnt be surprised if some people hold that opinion of me. It is what it is, you cant get along with everyone.

But there are certain dudes in this league who are faggots. And theres a big difference between a fag and a faggot.

This guy is a faggot.

[Mangekyo]

Our esteemed admin wants to talk to Lothus in the game, even though Lothus keeps ruining it constantly. A week ago, I was banned because I didn’t follow his movements (bad timed charges while Silencer had his ult up etc.) and wanted to farm first before getting into any fights. Anyways, I accepted the ban and didnt appeal.

But as Smolboi already displayed, players like Lothus will never accept any advise or at least understand how important a well timed charge is for a teamfight. Lothus wouldnt charge out of spite, just because you asked him to. He will just ignore you or start flaming you. Its a shame that our esteemed admin wants to talk to him in game.

[mk4r32]

@Mangekyo lets be real here. You are a better player than lothus ever will be meaning the expectations are a lot higher for all of us.

And I agree, smolboi has been zesty as ever but his observations regarding gameplay are unbiased and accurate for majority of these players.

[smolboi]

i have no respect for people who waste other peoples time. dota is played by 10 people at once, 4 of which are your allies who need you to perform your role in order for the team to succeed. if you have no interest in being apart of a team and acting accordingly, then you deserve to be told to fuck off in the harshest of terms because there is no bigger disrespect in life than thinking its okay to waste peoples time because youre some miserable fuck that needs to prove that his will is what is of utmost importance over the greater goal of the team.

There is a theme in the most recent wave of ban requests and the underlying tone is that the regulars have had it with the people who are dragging down the quality of play in lieu of their own personal agenda. Those of us willing to voice their opinions might sound like assholes, but thats just frustration seeping through the cracks and surfacing.

Remember for context were a decade into playing with one another. If the outbursts werent emotional after enduring it for this long we might as well be robots. The ship of being demure and constructive has sailed. Continuing to try and be respectful with these guys is futile. They dont give a shit about the rest of us.

You call it zesty, i call it factual. This guy is a faggot.

[MIKEJONES]

For context, I don’t just hear the frustrations from players through Discord messages, forum posts, and private chats. I’m also in the games myself under various aliases (notably WlSP and others). I put myself in the trenches and quietly observe. I don’t need to say much but I watch everything.

We know who the real troublemakers are, the ones who constantly flame, stir chaos, and drag the atmosphere down. We also know the ones who talk a little trash but mean no harm, just competitive fire. And then there are those who rarely speak, but their gameplay alone sabotages the team - the ones who play completely out of sync with the game’s design and ruin morale through pure incompetence or indifference.

As for Lothus, I spoke with him yesterday. He mentioned he’d respond, yet chose to post on Hexar’s topic instead of his own. Whatever his intent, if we don’t hear a proper explanation and his plan to correct things today, I’ll move forward with the report using all evidence and feedback currently on record.

[RichardCoffee]

Mike, can you just ban him? I know you are fair, and I'll let you do what you do best, but just my 2 cents:

Lothos is bringing together a bunch of players who hate each other into unanimous agreement. Credits, mk4r32, myself, smolboi, and chickenjalfrezi are all on the same page, practically singing kumbayah together at the prospect of a justified lothos ban. It's an ENT miracle!

There are probably like 10 more players who saw this and agree, but didn't chime in. This guy is just irrational and his response to any of this is just gonna be to hold a grudge to anyone for implying that him rarely participating in fights as a tank is bad.

[mk4r32]

Every time you promise to leave the server and comeback, there’s always an issue