[Official] DotA Player Behavior Reports & Improvement Submissions

[h3rmit]

All graphs were generated using publicly available information.

Your opinion may be a little biased cause you're mostly in the zone between a "Good" and a "Great" player. When looking down, the gameplay of average players may look too bad from your perspective.

Hexar is mostly a little below the average line. Meaning that he usually performs around/slightly lower than what the average ENT player of the last 6 years has, with any given hero, in every measurable aspect (creeps/kills/deaths/assists). He may also have a few good games in the mix, which you have not been a witness of. A more detailed look would rank him as:

• Rating: Average Player
• Above Average Farmer
• Bad Killer
• Below Average in Escaping
• Average in Assisting

Here's a detailed overview:
Hexar's Overview
Hexar's Games
Hexar's Heroes

Ofc there stats pale when compared to yours:

• Rating: Great Player
• Excellent Farmer
• Excellent Killer
• Above Average in Escaping
• Above Average in Assisting

Astros' Overview
Astros' Games
Astros' Heroes

Have a more in-depth look in the links, along with any other player you'd like to search for.

[GodSaveTheQQs]

Thanks Hermit for those infos! Super interesting charts for everyone here on ENT. I would ask a chart for myself but you already posted it! I think from my perspective that - i dont know how- ELO could slightly change to Efficiency Per Player (EPP) meaning that not only kills.deaths.creeps.assists could count in the total rate but maybe something like skills in battle, spells, warding, avoiding death-helping/saving teammates at critical situations ,multitasking in battle, hero contribution overall ingame etc could be useful to have a total Efficiency number/player. Ofc i have no idea about the tools we need to count all of these technical parameters of the game nor how could we use them but you get the idea. Nevertheless you did great job one more time!

Blessings

[Frank]

this is cool but the data I find really interesting is the friends/rivals winrates. my highest winrate is with TRADER lmfao

[GodSaveTheQQs]

indeed! the data with friends/rivals are so cool to take a look at

[T-A-Z]

This is an invasion of my privacy and I will be forwarding this to the related parties for an investigation.

On a serious note, ELO hasn't been relevant for at least five years. It's also very easy to manipulate because a very good player with a hard carry on a team with 3-4 low ELO players (where there are a lot of them naturally now since *most* players will tend to avoid playing with them which means they are usually on one side of the team) can still win at least 80% of their games against a team of 5 above average players and walk away with 23+ ELO. This wasn't the case 5-7 years ago because every game had decent enough players to where you're also facing a competent player who can carry. Simply put, 1500 ELO today is like 1300 ELO a few years ago. I hate to say it but T-A-Z would not reach 1500 ELO back then. The game has always had smurfs but I think the bigger issue is there is a wider variance of player level than ever. You used to be able to have 2-3 great players in a game, 3-5 good players, and then maybe 3 average and 2 bad players. Now, it seems that it's mainly 3 good players and 7 bad players so it's whether or not the good players on a team can carry the bad players on the team more-so than can the good players beat the other good players.

I don't see smurfing as an issue. Some players, (Mogu, Jazzy, Hexar, Planaria) play the same regardless of whether they are on a team with smurfs or against. They're just inherently stubborn to advice. I guarantee you if they get $100 for every win, their entire gameplay would change so it's obvious that this is strictly a behavioral change in how they play rather than anything else.

I mean, your chart shows barabesthero as an above average player. There is no way that is even remotely true. He is a liability in every game he plays, whines more than Jazzy while producing a quarter of Jazzy's production, and offers no value to his team.

Hexar as above average? I don't think so.

Jazzy is average, I would say. But his issue is his mental state rather than anything gameplay specific.

Every player mentioned above would be at least 50% better if they just bought wards, tp'd to help teammates, and listen to item recommendations. This is not a mechanical issue.

Also, I'm curious as to how you have access to this data. Is this publicly available info that you are generating the data from or is it provided by ENT with permissions?

Dang im catching Strays out here.. But yea I agree i dont think i am a top player and I feel like i dont act like one either TBH. I am an Average player who just tries.. But I do dodge alot of players because it does get annoying when people cant just do simple stuff but ill try and be better, Also this is cool info to see thanks hermit

[EdteOfChaos2]

Interesting tool.

You seem to be missing Oracle/Aghs Tiny (and probably some other weird cases like Slark during ulti and Lycan while transformed) and it assigns "Bad" to those heroes no matter the score.

The rating history is definitely not accurate. For example pachee- is apparently just above average, in reality he is one of the most difficult people to consistently beat and almost always wins when playing his Leshrac.

Another one is spudd_4343, he's been banned a whole bunch for his gameplay but is rated consistently above average. Anyone who would play with him would know he's one of the worst teammates here since he just doesn't try 99% of games.

Also apparently jazzy3113 is my 2nd best friend on there (I assume this is just people you played with on the same team) and also one of my top rivals. However I only win with Jazzy on my team 40% of the time, and I have won 90% of my games against him.

Also looks like it has stats going back a while, but won't calculate rating unless there are recent games.

Not really sure what a rating in "Escaping" means

[Frank]

yea some ratings seem off for example my old invoker only acc had almost 10 assists per game but average in assisting?

https://h3rmit.gr/stats_ent/player/hinatahyuga

[h3rmit]

You seem to be missing Oracle/Aghs Tiny (and probably some other weird cases like Slark during ulti and Lycan while transformed) and it assigns "Bad" to those heroes no matter the score.

That's actually cause the publicly available data of ENT that I'm using are also missing them. For instance, Oracle is also missing here:
https://entgaming.net/openstats/dota/game/12255608/

Because the rating is determined by the specific hero you pick, not having data about the hero results in a zeroed out rating ("Bad").

The rating history is definitely not accurate. For example pachee- is apparently just above average, in reality he is one of the most difficult people to consistently beat and almost always wins when playing his Leshrac.

You're misinterpreting the graph, pachee- is in the zone of "Good", as it's displayed in the Overview page:

• Rating: Good Player
• Excellent Farmer <-- Heavily farmed and full of items
• Good Killer <-- He kills you and your team easily
• Above Average in Escaping <-- You can't catch him
• Above Average in Assisting <-- He's often there helping his team get kills

Definitely hard to beat.

I adjusted the visuals of the graph so that it's easier to view the classification of a player at a glance:
Pachee-'s Rating
Jazzy3113's Rating
Astros' Rating

Spoiler!

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Not really sure what a rating in "Escaping" means

Since "deaths" are a negative stat, "escaping" (death) is the reverse, positive stat. It means "not dying/feeding".

Another one is spudd_4343, he's been banned a whole bunch for his gameplay but is rated consistently above average. Anyone who would play with him would know he's one of the worst teammates here since he just doesn't try 99% of games.

He's giving you that impression cause he farms a lot and feeds a lot:

• Rating: Above Average Player
• Great Farmer <-- Farms too much
• Average Killer
• Below Average in Escaping <-- Dies too much
• Above Average in Assisting

That would translate to "farms solo and dies solo", but the assists indicator is also high. Meaning that he's present in team fights.

Also apparently jazzy3113 is my 2nd best friend on there (I assume this is just people you played with on the same team) and also one of my top rivals. However I only win with Jazzy on my team 40% of the time, and I have won 90% of my games against him.

Yeah, "friends" are assumed to be the people you're most often in the same team with.

Also looks like it has stats going back a while, but won't calculate rating unless there are recent games.

The data of games before 2019 has been permanently erased by ENT and I have no way of retrieving them. However, I did have some old backup data for the period between 2016 and 2019, which I used to at least display playtime and game count.

yea some ratings seem off for example my old invoker only acc had almost 10 assists per game but average in assisting?

https://h3rmit.gr/stats_ent/player/hinatahyuga

Yeah, that's because the community average of Invoker is 13.28 assists / hour. Having 10 assists per 40-minute game isn't much higher than the community average. Everyone gets a lot of assists with Invoker

[mk4r32]

@h3rmit what is Antimaphack Shield in your signature? This would spark up another great discussion.

[Jazzy3113]

@h3rmit

This was cool of you to post, thanks.

Can you de-mystify what the stats you posted are saying in relation to elo a bit further? Basically, I am asking if your review on my stats supports my theory that people troll me/bad variance/whatever the reason that makes my record so bad?

In my case, you review says i have always lived in the average category, peeking into above average occasionally, which makes sense to me.

HOWEVER, i literally have one of the lowest elo accounts on the site. For an average player, just on the cusp of being above average, shouldnt my elo be closer to 950 or something? Isnt the fact its the lowest or near the lowest elo prove my teammates perform well below their averages?

Edte even commented he wins for me 40% of the time and wins against me 90%.

Also, is there a way to search for a specific player's performance when on my team? Specifically, I want to look at games where I get king jerk zjarr on my team. I am 100% convinced he is trolling me on purpose.

Snapshot of last few games this troll has been on my team. Keep in mind he is 1250 elo with an over 1x kdr. I have seen him carry 4 morons repeatedly against me.

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12255620
0/10/0
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12254958
7/5/7 - But he started 0-5 and fed early so game was ruined.
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12254872
1/11/3

Look at those games. How can a 1250 elo player be 0-10 or 1-11 unless its on purpose or simply enjoying trolling? Is it possible to search player's games with a filter of having another player as a teammate?

Or is there a way to parse the data to show a players average performance vs how they perform when teammed with another player?

I know for sure certain players perform way below their average when on my team. Zjarr performance when on my team is undeniable. Why cant people just admit it?

A quick look through zjarr's recent games shows HE IS NEVER 0-10 OR 1-11.

[EdteOfChaos2]

If I remember right, you were between 900 and 1000 until you started playing a hero you have no idea how to play every game (Destroyer)

BTW this game I played with Zjarr and he went 1/11
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12254663

He went 1/11 because all 5 enemies focused him all game. Meanwhile I farmed up my CK, killed towers, then just ulted and walked into the enemy team and killed all of them. This is my account I only random on, so I wasn't even playing a hero I knew how to play either. Typically when someone gets focused hard, you can take the opportunity to do even better yourself.

Zjarr's KD is barely over 1.

He usually doesn't own everyone. The reason why he's high rated is because he's a good team player.

[mk4r32]

First off, Zjarr never ruins. If anything, he plays til the end without flaming.

Why are you posting these games? It’s a bad look on you. Even kuzko carries against you.

We already told you why you are trash.

1) players dodge you cuz of ur shitty whining and u get stuck with below avg players

2) you don’t try to help or support at all. I can’t even remember the last time you tp’d or warded when mid gets ganked early. Instead, you sit in your lane crying about how the better carry players are trolling you by performing poorly.

This is what Astros has been saying forever, you guys want the carry to do it all. Buy wards, survive team ganks alone, and carry.

It’s not bad luck, you are quick to blame others and cause drama min 10 going into the game

Like with your skills, do you think you can win a game with lothos and planaria in team? You join knowing you gonna get shitted on.

At this point, edge is the only player that still gives you the benefit of the doubt.

Just report the player if you think they ruined.

Stop complaining already, it’s so exhausting

[EdteOfChaos2]

He was 1-5 this game without you too https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=12255438 just clicked through recent games, not hard to find

It's weird and cringe how you single him out tbh. He has done nothing to you. He's consistently a pleasure to play both with and against and your constant harassing him isn't appreciated.

[h3rmit]

@h3rmit what is Antimaphack Shield in your signature? This would spark up another great discussion.

It was a complex system I developed for another community (MyMGN) back in 2014-2018, to ensure that no players were using a maphack or any other form of disallowed hacks. To join games, players had to be running a special agent that essentially monitored and detected the use of any maphacks. It worked with all versions of Warcraft III from 1.26 to 1.29.2. A lot of custom code was added to the hostbots to support this, so it can't work with ENT hostbots out of the box if that's what you're asking. Plus it doesn't support Warcraft III 1.30.

In my case, you review says i have always lived in the average category, peeking into above average occasionally, which makes sense to me.

HOWEVER, i literally have one of the lowest elo accounts on the site. For an average player, just on the cusp of being above average, shouldnt my elo be closer to 950 or something?

Based on your skill, your current theoretical ELO should have been around 1075. What the database records is a streak of loses irrelevant to your skill.

Basically, I am asking if your review on my stats supports my theory that people troll me/bad variance/whatever the reason that makes my record so bad?

Isnt the fact its the lowest or near the lowest elo prove my teammates perform well below their averages?

You have to understand that players are people with feelings, not machines. Their focus and performance can be greatly affected by their emotional state and morale. Words of discouragment or blaming can put them under pressure, lower their morale and have them lose focus and hope for the game. Especially if the game is already not going the way they want.

Dozens of people advocate and even complain about your words affecting them in the game.

Also, is there a way to search for a specific player's performance when on my team?

No, at the moment there's no such functionality. I may consider adding it later. For now, I went through the data manually and prepared an excel table for you, featuring people you've played many games with or against.

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In average, Zjarr seems to be performing a little worse when he's your enemy, than when he's your ally.

[dumpster_]

Can we please either:
a) stop replying to jazzy
b) ban him from the forum

I think it's been proven countless times that he's either completely insane or a troll or both.
Why do y'all still argue with him? It's pointless. He lies all the time.
Every other sane individual knows you are right and he's wrong; there's no need to keep proving it.
Every thread turns into a jazzy whine fest.