Do not need unban me but I request CHANGE THE RULE

[wani9311]

Your Warcraft III username: wani9311
Realm/Gateway: useast
Why are you banned: vk abuse
Why you should be unbanned:
No I do not need you guys unban me you can ban me forever I would still take and that is no problem because If you guys reviewed replay correctly and saw what happened to decide ban all the players from viewtopic.php?f=172&t=101278&p=406310&hilit=wani9311#p406310 this topic. I think all you moderators are not even worth arguing to.

All other players from both east and west team tried pause games for more than 15 times at least while one person(vendeta) showing personal wrath to player who afk(sk) to resume the game constantly and took away our time to build.
Two of my teammates were afk and game was pretty much done.
He refuses to wait and he refuses to cooperate with others to draw.

Of course THAT IS NOT AGAINST RULE and VOTEKICKICKING HIM FOR DOING ALL THAT IS AGAINST RULE AND IT IS FAIR TO BAN ALL OF US EVEN IF WE ARE THE VICTIMS FROM THE RUINED GAME AND TRY TO SET THE GAME RIGHT WAY. HE BASICALLY RUINING WHOLE GAME AND OF COURSE WE ARE THE ONE WHO GET BANNED FOR TRYING TO PLAY FAIR AND GOOD GAME. Try to look at the situation before you judge which things are against rule and which things are not

[FalenGa]

@wani9311
Things are simple. When a player joins a game, it's his, and only his responsibility to make sure he can participate in it.
Just because he decides to go afk, doesn't mean anyone has to wait for him.

[wani9311]

@Falenga Obviously Vendeta does now have to wait for him ^^ what about draw because draw is not obligation other 6 people except sk and vendeta has to suffer shit games until game ends? it was obvious drawing was going on and he refuses to do it. ALSO NOT AGAINST RULE right? So we all need to blame one person who already asked if he can afk in lobby and went afk because there are no one comment against his request that is what you saying?

[FalenGa]

@wani9311
Same logic applies to your second question as well. Just because someone decided he wants to go afk, does it mean i have to draw a game and waste my time? No.
Not unless i want to.

Again, it's his responsibility to make sure he can participate.

Draw is a vote. Voting is a democratic right. It's up to every individual to decide whether he wants to draw, or not. Free will is still a thing, as far as i know.

[wani9311]

Huh talking about democratic right when you have situation 5 players against 1 player who refuses to cooperate? talking about fixed rules that can be read in anyway you would like? of course you can say whatever you want because you are the one who suppose to judge situation but copy pasting same answer always should help people undestand you think?

(01:41 / Allied) Vendeta: who cares
(01:42 / All) DrChemba: !yes
(01:44 / All) Sk.73: its forbiden
(01:44 / Allied) Trebor: and you dont pause
(01:50 / All) DrChemba: unpause against rules
(01:51 / Allied) Vendeta: again
(01:53 / All) DrChemba: do it
(01:53 / All) Sk.73: he can be a dumbass like this
(01:56 / Allied) Vendeta: he does that to me always
(01:57 / Allied) DrChemba: gonna report anyway
(01:58 / Allied) Vendeta: so i dont care
(01:59 / All) Sk.73: lets him be
(02:00 / Allied) Vendeta: i unpause now
(02:02 / Allied) Vendeta: its karma

"He does that to me always so i dont care I will unpause" I can read it as personal rage and flaming toward one other player bacause it clearly indicate he is unpausing because sk is the afker thus it is against rule. am I wrong? And also, There is not gonna be one decision possibly done when approx 16.66% of people can go against that decision to make thing not happend

[FalenGa]

@wani9311
ENT has rules in place for situations like this.

In the rules, it clearly states that going afk is a bannable offense, and so is abusing the votekick.

Since pausing is used 99.9% of the time in order to wait for someone who is afk ( again, afking is against our rules ), unpausing is not a violation.
Now, his motives behind the unpausing are completely irrelevant.

If 75% of the players in game draw, it will pass. Which is a very good number, considering anything lower would be easily abused, and anything higher would make it much harder to draw a game.

So, in the end, if a player doesn't want to draw, he should not be judged for it.

[wani9311]

@Falenga
You are taking this wrong lol, I am pointing out flaming,raging and trolling not whether he has gone against rule by 'unpausing' or not.
How would you define flaming,raging or trolling behavior. it only depends on how you type in chat right? So it is clear that Vendeta is showing flaming or raging against one player in this game Am I wrong about it?

and talking about 75% of players in game draw at games with two afks and 5 person drew. Because two players are afk(and they draw after they came back) ofc other 5 players can suffer and that is not your care since it is not against rule. that is what you keep saying.

Just stop the behavior of oh I am right and you are wrong and look at the situation. Above all your ruless, it clearly indicate one main goal that could be prime concern of you and me
"Our main goal is making your gaming experience as enjoyable as possible. The following rules determine what questionable strategies and actions are prohibited or allowed." Think about your main goal and indicate one person who could enjoy in this situation. I clearly understand your position and aspect of yours as enforcer of rules. However, this is clearly one person trolling and ruining whole game for others while other trying to play fair and square. By borrowing your words, "in our personal view of sportsmanship" And what you do is support and promoting Vendeta's trolling more as you define us as game ruiners rather than victims of his trolling.

[FalenGa]

and talking about 75% of players in game draw at games with two afks and 5 person drew. Because two players are afk(and they draw after they came back) ofc other 5 players can suffer and that is not your care since it is not against rule. that is what you keep saying.

Pretty much, yes. It might not be a perfect system, but it sure beats the alternatives. Again, it's the two afk players that should be votekicked and reported, not the person who refused to draw.

I see no flaming/raging in this game. I do see a personal grudge against a particular player, but as i said earlier, his motives behind the unpausing are irrelevant.
This particular player kept unpausing the game for vendeta in other games ( as he claims ), so vendeta did the same. His name kinda gives this one away.

And yes, i did not make the rules, i am simply here to enforce them.
However, i do believe that a number between 70%-80% for draw is the most appropriate one.
We've already seen people abusing it with the 75% requirement. I can only imagine the flow of reports if it was something like 50%.

[wani9311]

Thus the reason I challenge your rule rather than understand and vow under it. I do take 3 days ban and I will be fine to take punishment. However, you guys letting person like vendeta to do things like this will only cause conflict between players in 1200+ which is very small sized group. you define his behavior not trolling even though at least 4(or 5) people thought what he does is wrong and took it as offence to initiate votekick poll(it is obvious to kick afk player in normal game but you can easily see why we initiate vk and lot of people vote !yes on this "AGAINST RULE" vote). Now you can see the chaos that will happen in this bot and I do see already few reports are coming up.

You, as enforcer of rules, are the one to need carefully look at the situation and took this matter not biased. Because rules are not perfect but appropriate one, I think I have right to challenge the rule to make this community better. All of people who got banned questioned about your enforcing. And you probably also know reason why. "Do not abuse !votekick: its only purpose is to kick game ruinners who violate ENT's rules and negatively impact the game for either or both teams in the game." This is rule we violated but he clearly gave negative impact for both teams in game even if it is not against rule, that is my opinion.

(Added later) Also you indicate personal grudge going on between two but we clearly cannot prove vendeta's point of sk unpausing a game unless he actually give real evidence of it. how you separate personal grudge and flaming between players.. that should be clearly defined also.

[FalenGa]

@wani9311
I'm definitely not looking at this in a biased way. I'm looking at it in the most practical, abuse-proof, fair way.
I wasn't even the one who processed the request, even tho i would have taken the same actions.
After all, it's just a plain simple rule.

Don't take this the wrong way, but no. You don't have the right to "challenge" the rules, even if it's with good intentions. That's ENT's role.
You have to follow them, as everyone else does.

There have been a few suggestions regarding the whole draw procedure. From what i can recall, it was a dead-end.

Anyway. This is getting really off topic.

You could create a new topic in our suggestions section, and provide your opinion on how/why the rules should change.
Or, you could dig-up some of the previous suggestions on this topic, and see why they were not implemented.

Moving to processed.