Unfair unvouch

[AvadaKedavra]

I feel like I got unfairly unvouched viewtopic.php?f=85&t=95586

Mick you say I don't teamplay this game. Not a single person on our team made a call this game. No1 discussed a single strategy, what to do etc. I thought this game would go 14 or 15 at best, and I had no anti 14 or 15, so I decided to push. Since we were behind in heals, I thought 14 all in might honestly be our only option, in which case my big jack is perfect for it.

How am I supposed to know what our plan is when no1 calls? My push could help us win. You say I had units to hold 10. Naked lod with no ranged support, imo it's waste to try. I did NOT try to tk on purpose this game, but when no1 calls and we have no strat, idk what to do, so I decided to push. I've seen mortar players overpush with coptor, hydra, etc, and be super weak on key level / have hard time recovering. But we don't unvouch for that in general do we? What's so special about this case?

If some1 on my team calls "send arena, stay low" etc. and THEN I push, that would be refusal to teamplay. When no call is made, how can u refuse to teamplay? There is no "one" way to play this game, and lumber wins a lot of games. People have tk'ed WAY harder than I did this game (if it even was tk) in the past and no1 bats an eye. Why treat me differently? Like I said it was not on purpose

[MarshMallows]

This unvouch is prob a mix of things... this strange play, you unfairly reporting brave and you asking to sell towers in most of your games.

[Nore]

Now when people report, you can say to mods "can you unvouch my account?" instead of "can we sell towers?". Pro tactics on game and forums ))

[dweiler]

This unvouch is prob a mix of things... this strange play, you unfairly reporting brave and you asking to sell towers in most of your games.

This is true, the complaints on the adress of Avada mixed with very doubtful tactics that look a lot like TK'ing - no communication, suicide with a strong lane - lead to this. If you want to avoid this in the future, communicate with your team, make a plan, instead of suiciding on your own when you are the strongest lane after you have shown to your team that you don't believe in the game anymore. With a positive attitude and communication there is no reason to unvouch you for lack of teamplay (and if it's true that you didn't TK on purpose, you could've explained yourself instead of leaving your teammates behind frustrated). If you acknowledge this I am willing to grant the appeal, if you stick with that the unvouch is unfair you can sit it out.

[AvadaKedavra]

This unvouch is prob a mix of things... this strange play, you unfairly reporting brave and you asking to sell towers in most of your games.

This is true, the complaints on the adress of Avada mixed with very doubtful tactics that look a lot like TK'ing - no communication, suicide with a strong lane - lead to this. If you want to avoid this in the future, communicate with your team, make a plan, instead of suiciding on your own when you are the strongest lane after you have shown to your team that you don't believe in the game anymore. With a positive attitude and communication there is no reason to unvouch you for lack of teamplay (and if it's true that you didn't TK on purpose, you could've explained yourself instead of leaving your teammates behind frustrated). If you acknowledge this I am willing to grant the appeal, if you stick with that the unvouch is unfair you can sit it out.

But wait a second. People suicide all the time in lihl. Without a word. All of the sudden they leak 20+ on lvl 2, 20+ on lvl 3 against no send, 0 bounty leaks by lvl 4. They dont tell their team mates anything, their lane just die. Sometimes they do similar stuff later on in the game. This leaves their teammates frustrated as well. Isn't that the same thing? Why is me accidently overpushing and not saying anything (people do this all the time, not just me mick!!!) worse than when other people do it? What's the difference? Im trying to understand, because as it stands now, it seems like I will get unvouched every time I tk, where as any other player can tk all day no problem.

Would you please adress my concerns regarding other people tk'ing, sometimes with op units, killing their team, no communication = no consequences
When I do it = instant consequence? Because I ask once if they want to ff? You said It was okay to ask once, then let it go, in a previous thread.

[dweiler]

But wait a second. People suicide all the time in lihl. Without a word. All of the sudden they leak 20+ on lvl 2, 20+ on lvl 3 against no send, 0 bounty leaks by lvl 4. They dont tell their team mates anything, their lane just die. Sometimes they do similar stuff later on in the game. This leaves their teammates frustrated as well. Isn't that the same thing? Why is me accidently overpushing and not saying anything (people do this all the time, not just me mick!!!) worse than when other people do it? What's the difference? Im trying to understand, because as it stands now, it seems like I will get unvouched every time I tk, where as any other player can tk all day no problem.

Would you please adress my concerns regarding other people tk'ing, sometimes with op units, killing their team, no communication = no consequences
When I do it = instant consequence? Because I ask once if they want to ff? You said It was okay to ask once, then let it go, in a previous thread.

Problem is that people feel like you give up and just do something. So to prevent this thing from getting bigger and you getting reported more often (you got reported a lot the last days) it's better for everybody if you communicate better about things like that. For me, your decision in that game is also hard to understand, especially with you asking for !ff before. With your explanation I do believe you that you didn't TK on purpose, but then still you need to communicate better, since people have the idea you teamkill/they don't understand what you are doing.

About others doing this, true. This happens sometimes with others too and if I feel like their communication is at such a point that it's really hard to teamplay with them, they will also get a warning. Of course, you don't have to explain every single thing.

If you take this with you and communicate and make a plan in the future, instead of being silent and suicide after asking for !ff you won't get in the situation of people doubting your intention and feeling like you don't play with the team, you don't have to worry about getting reported for suiciding/doing out of the box tactics.

[AvadaKedavra]

So communication is the main issue? Have I understood that correct? Tk'ing by accident is fine, as long as u communicate with ur teammates? And if so - Sure I will try to better communicate in the future if I tk by accident

[dweiler]

I think I explained very clearly what the issue is in above post...

Edit: Okay, I will assume you got it if you say so. Re-read my previous post if needed. If you go play solo again after you gave up on a game you can expect a longer unvouch as I stated before. Unvouched for this time.

[MarshMallows]

It didn't look accidental at all... looks like you wanted to rage quit the game, your team didn't want to, so you started to tk because you were mad. You can say it was an accident and maybe it was, but it doesn't really seem that way at all.

[AvadaKedavra]

I think I explained very clearly what the issue is in above post...

Edit: Okay, I will assume you got it if you say so. Re-read my previous post if needed. If you go play solo again after you gave up on a game you can expect a longer unvouch as I stated before. Unvouched for this time.

I didnt play solo. No1 on our team made a call, there was no plan to follow. I pushed hard because I think 14/15 game. And yes I will communicate better in the future!

[dweiler]

I didnt play solo. No1 on our team made a call, there was no plan to follow. I pushed hard because I think 14/15 game. And yes I will communicate better in the future!

Which is what I mean with playing solo- not communicating and leaving the hint of TK.

But it seems like you got the point of communication, so if you really didn't TK problems like in this game won't happen again. Let's go back to gaming