Replay Link: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=9976074
Game Name: [ENT] Legion TD Mega #46
Your Warcraft III Username: ivan.bratmi@server.eurobattle.net
Violator's Warcraft III Username: |c0000ff00blaze@useast.battle.net
Violated Rule(s): solo send, antistuck abuse, intentional tk
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): about 21:00 and onwards
Any further thoughts: TL DR: Intentional tk by unnecessary overbuilding on lvl 10 costing wood and income to the team, antistuck abuse on my units on lvl 10, solo send on 12.
He was orange in that game and yellow was a new player. Yellow was playing perfectly, listening to us, making wisps and lumber, and kind of going suicide mode. Orange's job was as a more experienced player to watch for his leaks and build accordingly. After the opposing team sent on level 8, orange overbuild for level 10 instead of pushing the same as I did with the only goal in mind to get all gold from yellow boss round to himself. He even anitstucked my units to prevent them going to mid. This caused an argument between us and he ignored me. After that, he solo sent on level 12 without team consent making it impossible for us to contest 15 if the rounds are slow. Both me and him failed to build properly for 15, which eventually caused us the game.
[LTD] |c0000ff00blaze@useast.battle.net
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Re: [LTD] |c0000ff00blaze@useast.battle.net
This guy sure is something else....
Round 1: We see yellow doing a typical "first time playing" and I get told by ivan.bratmi to overbuild and catch his leaks. He cries about my ob throughout, when I'm infact 7/6 by Wave11.
Im playing Wolverine so ofc overbuild for 10 so I don't understand how he can call this TK.
Now I get tired and mute him.
Yellow tells me they decided to go with Wave17 send.
In all my games, when people decide to go straight beyond 15 its always been income send on 12 so ofc this is what I do.
Pink (who is ivan.bratmi's friend) decides to up king after this (which is normal after income send and/or when going straight 17 since we will face their send before we send). I also up king, now I'm TK again.
I dont wanna see this guy banned but he's the TK who thinks he's so good and knows the game inside out. Maybe he should learn some basics first?
Worth mentioning, not the first time he gets banned.
Round 1: We see yellow doing a typical "first time playing" and I get told by ivan.bratmi to overbuild and catch his leaks. He cries about my ob throughout, when I'm infact 7/6 by Wave11.
Im playing Wolverine so ofc overbuild for 10 so I don't understand how he can call this TK.
Now I get tired and mute him.
Yellow tells me they decided to go with Wave17 send.
In all my games, when people decide to go straight beyond 15 its always been income send on 12 so ofc this is what I do.
Pink (who is ivan.bratmi's friend) decides to up king after this (which is normal after income send and/or when going straight 17 since we will face their send before we send). I also up king, now I'm TK again.
I dont wanna see this guy banned but he's the TK who thinks he's so good and knows the game inside out. Maybe he should learn some basics first?
Worth mentioning, not the first time he gets banned.
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Re: [LTD] |c0000ff00blaze@useast.battle.net
Looking through the replay to see what of this is accurate..
To start, blaze was in fact told to catch leaks from yellow because they said he was new. This COULD be interpreted as asking him to OB, but I guess not necessarily.
To be completely honest, I'm not sure why you (ivan) decided to bring up previously wanting to send again, but this is the conversation that lead to the ignore:
OJ did anti on 10, which is unnecessary given you get the same amount of gold anyway, I would admit. With that said, I don't think that warrants calling TK or AS abuse because of that.
As far as sending 12 and calling it a solo send, I don't really agree either. Prior to you saying to save 17, which OJ does not see when you first say it, pink does in fact ask about 12. When orange is finally told to save 17, he asks for confirmation prior to the end of 11, and does NOT get any:
While I understand it is partially his fault that he had ignored green in the first place, neither pink nor yellow confirmed what the send was actually, and he was trying to inc send before the income came, which is rather reasonable.
There was finally some complaining about choosing to upgrade the king prior to 15, but it didn't really matter since with East Legion's 65 leak on 15 send, it wasn't going to save you.
I feel like the entirety of this can be attributed to poor communication. You calling save 17 is no less a solo choice than orange's to income send when no one confirms either. Pink had asked 12, you said 17. It could be assumed that it was meant to be a income send level since no one confirmed what you meant to him and vice versa.
The last point I'll make about the gameplay is that if you want orange to OB to catch yellow leaks, you should've discussed at the beginning who would hold 10. I agree, there is no reason for it to be both of you, but given that orange would already be OB and the fact that he had wolvs which are good on 10, it wasn't a TK/mistake.
I think this should be denied considering the king prior to 15 and income send on 12 didn't matter since you died prior to 17 which was your call anyway. He wasn't trying to solo send, he was trying to do ballistas on 12 for income.
To start, blaze was in fact told to catch leaks from yellow because they said he was new. This COULD be interpreted as asking him to OB, but I guess not necessarily.
(03:01 / Allied) Ivan.bratmi: orange
(03:08 / Allied) |c0000FF00blaze: y
(03:11 / Allied) Ivan.bratmi: follow yellow's build and catch his leaks
To be completely honest, I'm not sure why you (ivan) decided to bring up previously wanting to send again, but this is the conversation that lead to the ignore:
Spoiler!
OJ did anti on 10, which is unnecessary given you get the same amount of gold anyway, I would admit. With that said, I don't think that warrants calling TK or AS abuse because of that.
As far as sending 12 and calling it a solo send, I don't really agree either. Prior to you saying to save 17, which OJ does not see when you first say it, pink does in fact ask about 12. When orange is finally told to save 17, he asks for confirmation prior to the end of 11, and does NOT get any:
(26:18 / Allied) Ivan.bratmi: tell him we save 17
(26:23 / Allied) TemplarRob: hey ivan blaze says he loves u
(26:29 / Allied) pawwee: i rerover fast purple
(26:31 / Allied) |c0000FF00blaze: works to i guess
(26:31 / Allied) pawwee: got tok as well now
(26:35 / Allied) TemplarRob: blaze ivan says he loves u back, and to save for 17
(26:44 / Allied) |c0000FF00blaze: we going 17?
(26:45 / Allied) TemplarRob: also he said no homo
(26:45 / Allied) Ivan.bratmi: no homo
(26:48 / Allied) Ivan.bratmi: lol
(26:48 / Allied) TemplarRob: lol
(27:06 / Allied) Ivan.bratmi: seee what im talking about
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(27:09 / Allied) Ivan.bratmi: !votekick blaze
While I understand it is partially his fault that he had ignored green in the first place, neither pink nor yellow confirmed what the send was actually, and he was trying to inc send before the income came, which is rather reasonable.
There was finally some complaining about choosing to upgrade the king prior to 15, but it didn't really matter since with East Legion's 65 leak on 15 send, it wasn't going to save you.
I feel like the entirety of this can be attributed to poor communication. You calling save 17 is no less a solo choice than orange's to income send when no one confirms either. Pink had asked 12, you said 17. It could be assumed that it was meant to be a income send level since no one confirmed what you meant to him and vice versa.
The last point I'll make about the gameplay is that if you want orange to OB to catch yellow leaks, you should've discussed at the beginning who would hold 10. I agree, there is no reason for it to be both of you, but given that orange would already be OB and the fact that he had wolvs which are good on 10, it wasn't a TK/mistake.
I think this should be denied considering the king prior to 15 and income send on 12 didn't matter since you died prior to 17 which was your call anyway. He wasn't trying to solo send, he was trying to do ballistas on 12 for income.
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Re: [LTD] |c0000ff00blaze@useast.battle.net
karils wrote:To be completely honest, I'm not sure why you (ivan) decided to bring up previously wanting to send again, but this is the conversation that lead to the ignore:
Don't make it sound like i started the argument. It was a response to him flaming and calling my call bad previously:
(15:08 / Allied) Ivan.bratmi: you had to send more blood orcs
(15:14 / Allied) |c0000FF00blaze: oh shut up lol
(15:21 / Allied) |c0000FF00blaze: ur call to send 7 vs ygg holder
karils wrote:OJ did anti on 10, which is unnecessary given you get the same amount of gold anyway, I would admit. With that said, I don't think that warrants calling TK or AS abuse because of that.
Orange did antistuck MY units on MY lane. This is a direct violation of ENT LTD rules. How can you defend that?
Antistuck:
-Cannot be used to kill-steal your teammate.
karils wrote:As far as sending 12 and calling it a solo send, I don't really agree either. Prior to you saying to save 17, which OJ does not see when you first say it, pink does in fact ask about 12. When orange is finally told to save 17, he asks for confirmation prior to the end of 11, and does NOT get any:
It is beyond me how can you defend the 12 send. The 12 call by pink was answered by my "save 17" call which both pink and yellow saw. Orange NEVER CALLED for a 12 send, he just went full yolo. How are we, the remaining 3 players, supposed to react when he doesn't inform us about his intentions? When there is a "save 17" call, nowhere does it include an income send. An income send MUST be agreed on. While we are saving for 17, we may change the call to 15 if rounds are slow. We cannot do that if someone decides on his own to income send without team agreement. I really don't get why you think that sending on 12 is "reasonable" (not often can you save 3.5k for 17 after 12), but what you or what he considers reasonable is completely irrelevant in this case. Send is a team decision. Also, I don't see how is it relevant that he does not get a confirmation for the 17 save, he admitted himself that he intends to send on 17.
karils wrote:I feel like the entirety of this can be attributed to poor communication. You calling save 17 is no less a solo choice than orange's to income send when no one confirms either. Pink had asked 12, you said 17. It could be assumed that it was meant to be a income send level since no one confirmed what you meant to him and vice versa.
My call for "save 17" is up for discussion and a vote. Orange never made his intentions clear to us for a vote. That is the difference. Orange never even said anything in response to the 12 question by pink. And I don't see how it can be assumed that we go 12 17 when we don't have the push to do it.
karils wrote:The last point I'll make about the gameplay is that if you want orange to OB to catch yellow leaks, you should've discussed at the beginning who would hold 10. I agree, there is no reason for it to be both of you, but given that orange would already be OB and the fact that he had wolvs which are good on 10, it wasn't a TK/mistake.
After their send on 8, I went for 3 lumber upgrades or so and had only a few extra units. He continued to build wolves way after we had plenty of army to hold 10 and stayed 7 2. Its not a "who will hold 10" situation. We had plenty of army to hold it and he continued building more.
karils wrote:I think this should be denied considering the king prior to 15 and income send on 12 didn't matter since you died prior to 17 which was your call anyway.
Again, when you call for "save 17" you can adjust the call if the rounds are too slow, or too fast. You cannot adjust the decision if someone decides to solo send.
karils wrote:He wasn't trying to solo send, he was trying to do ballistas on 12 for income.
This makes no sense. Whether a send is solo or not has no relation to what type of a send it is - income, taking heals, slowing rounds, or whatever.
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Re: [LTD] |c0000ff00blaze@useast.battle.net
Player abuses Antistuck on 10 by using it on allied unit in a different lane. There were no mobs to catch, and was used to delay units from going to king TP.
With regards to solo send and upgrading king, the 17 call was never confirmed to orange and in the end the upgrading of king may of helped if only a little. The leaks on 15 were too great, and sealed the deal regardless of your intent to send 17. I do not see the user solo sending more than one round, and as noted, the users upgrade to the king may of helped with the extensive leaks on 15.
Player |c0000ff00blaze@useast.battle.net banned 3 days for AS abuse and warned for the single solo send on 15.
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With regards to solo send and upgrading king, the 17 call was never confirmed to orange and in the end the upgrading of king may of helped if only a little. The leaks on 15 were too great, and sealed the deal regardless of your intent to send 17. I do not see the user solo sending more than one round, and as noted, the users upgrade to the king may of helped with the extensive leaks on 15.
Player |c0000ff00blaze@useast.battle.net banned 3 days for AS abuse and warned for the single solo send on 15.
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