no draw

[TinSoldier]

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=9713270

hazza dc lvl 14

red blue and purple didnt draw

[FateStayNight]

And you guys didnt draw at 14 untill you see we live. If you wanted a legit draw, pause game while 14 and dont wait to see if we die or not...

[TinSoldier]

since your team did not send on 14, and hazza dc'd after the round had started, it has no impact on the game and there is no need to pause, if the game ends there it ends i am sure u understand the logic in that

[Don_Killuminati]

fate said, 'curry elo is the best elo' .

[sonycrockett]

First of all, i did draw ma niggaboy. Didnt expect u no balls for ff that game tbh. be manner bro

[FateStayNight]

(30:56 / All) FateStayNight: you ff
(30:58 / All) FateStayNight: or want draw?
(30:58 / All) TinSoldier: thats why its best ossible
(31:10 / All) FateStayNight: u rip like man?
(31:26 / All) TinSoldier: no
(31:35 / All) FateStayNight: Well no draw then
(31:37 / All) TinSoldier: how do u know we would die
(31:42 / All) TinSoldier: lol
(31:45 / Allied) TinSoldier: !draw


As you can see he waited 45 sec to see if we die or not

[Kreutertee]

The draw rule has recently been discussed here
viewtopic.php?f=207&t=115719

With the result of no change to the current set of rules.
Draw before 20 is mandatory. Just because they wait a few seconds to see what happens is within the rules. Quite straightforward case.

If you'd lost and they didn't draw we'd probably be having the same thread, just vice versa.

Hence the rule, as a drop can benefit both sides under certain circumstances.

[FateStayNight]

"Just because they wait a few seconds to see what happens is within the rules",

wheres that written lmao?

"If a player disconnects prior to ending of level 20, it is mandatory to !draw the game, unless every player in the team with a d/c agrees to play on",

either they agree to play on or they draw, it says nowhere that you can see if ur send works out and in case it didnt you can still draw. Not straightforward case at all.

[Nore]

There is no significance to this whole "he waited to draw". If his team sent and yours didn't, makes sense to at least see if it ends the game (since it's that same round of d/c). If it was a race and the d/c happens, then you pause and draw. Just simply based on the rules, this is wrong, and will be penalized. Until there is a change in the said rule, you can never expect not drawing to go unpunished, no matter your logic behind it (unless the other team agrees, which they clearly did not).

[Kreutertee]

Did they all say "we agree to play on"?

A draw automatically undraws after 3 minutes, that should be the minimum time to consider. Apparently that's not what they got.

Then again, rules are clear imo. Draw is mandatory. You're not entitled to sort things out ingame on your own terms by taking elo and refusing to draw.

Was it somewhat of a dick move of them? Maybe, but who cares. That's the reason we have rules. And they didn't break the rules.

[AvadaKedavra]

There is no significance to this whole "he waited to draw". If his team sent and yours didn't, makes sense to at least see if it ends the game (since it's that same round of d/c). If it was a race and the d/c happens, then you pause and draw. Just simply based on the rules, this is wrong, and will be penalized. Until there is a change in the said rule, you can never expect not drawing to go unpunished, no matter your logic behind it (unless the other team agrees, which they clearly did not).

What the actual fuck? Dong did this a loooong time ago.. His team sent 16, they see we leak 40 or so, with 0 heals.. But they dont know if we had mid or not.. We pause and say draw now, before u see if we die. Dong say he will only draw after he sees our mid (we lived easy btw). This is total freerolling, and borderline cheating.. Either you win the game or it draws, u have nothing to lose. Not fair at all

[FadingSuns]

Ill take care of this case tomorrow since its already late.

The team that didnt draw AKA Fate, ZTX and 7Yeahs (u pure tk... trial break this rule? ZZZZ) u all will get 3 days unvouch. Its mandatory to draw once 1 player ask for it after a DC. Given the circumstances (i read the game chat and all ur posts), i wont take into account previous offenses to increase this 3 days penalties, but be sure that u will serve at least 1 day starting on tomorrow when i got back work, after that u might post appeal and ensure me that this rule wont be broken again).

I might also add some text to the current draw rule with the following, "after a DC the game MUST be paused and the players MUST agree if go on or draw, if game is not paused by any member within 30 secs it will continue until end" just to avoid future dramas...

ACED.

[FateStayNight]

Did they all say "we agree to play on"?

A draw automatically undraws after 3 minutes, that should be the minimum time to consider. Apparently that's not what they got.

Then again, rules are clear imo. Draw is mandatory. You're not entitled to sort things out ingame on your own terms by taking elo and refusing to draw.

Was it somewhat of a dick move of them? Maybe, but who cares. That's the reason we have rules. And they didn't break the rules.

It means if you are 3v4 you have 3 min of try killing them and incase it doesnt work out you force to draw? that makes no sense at all and shouldnt be the purpose of the rule.
It says nowhere in the rule that you got time to consider a draw or not. Either you decide a draw right away or you decide to play on.

east abuse the rule in the worst possible way to their advantage, so i guess they deserve ban aswell for not drawing right away.

[Kreutertee]

It says nowhere in the rules you need to instant-draw either.

Your logic goes both ways.

I won't comment any further. In the thread I initially linked the draw topic was discussed and elaborated in detail. ent management and lihl mods took part in the discussion with a unanimous decision to not change anything.

Bottom line, draw is mandatory.

The right way was to draw and raise the topic again. Could've suggested a rule addition "if d/c, pause game and decide what to do".

But you didn't, you first wanted to have your elo, solving the issue on your own terms by violating the rules.

[HazarDous]

it has no impact on the game and there is no need to pause, if the game ends there it ends i am sure u understand the logic in that

makes sense to at least see if it ends the game (since it's that same round of d/c).

Somewhat off-topic; There seems to be some sort of unwritten rule that allows the round to finish when someone disconnects after the start of a send level and it has no impact on the outcome. However, if we were to follow the draw rule, even such situations would require a draw. Unless you guys were merely stating that it should be common sense to finish the round...?

The draw rule needs some clarification when it comes to such an eventuality, tbh. Probably something worth discussing perhaps in another topic..

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As for the report, while I apologize for disconnecting and causing this mess, there's simply no case to be made on behalf of whoever did not draw... We've always had the same way of proceeding to rules infringement... You need to draw the game, period. If the other team wouldn't draw and you ended up actually losing the game.. then you can report them on the forum, at which point a decision would have been made with regards to the situation at hand. Taking justice in your own hands ("because they only drew after they saw they wouldn't die") will only place yourself in trouble.

Neither can you argue that they accepted to play on based on the fact that they wanted to see the round's outcome... The rule ("unless every player agrees to play on") requires a vote. You simply cannot qualify a vote abstention as an agreement to play on.