Fate forcing send

[Kreutertee]

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Solo forcing 14 send, when Mesthar and me wanted send 15.

(29:12 / Allied) FateStayNight: lets go 14 then
(29:13 / Allied) FateStayNight: and hold 17?
(29:18 / Allied) tinsoldier: i got nothing for 14
(29:19 / Allied) tinsoldier: ?
(29:20 / Allied) tinsoldier: lol
(29:21 / Allied) Kreutertee: how hold 17?
(29:23 / Allied) tinsoldier: `17
(29:30 / Allied) FateStayNight: go
(29:33 / Allied) Kreutertee: i disagree
(29:36 / Allied) tinsoldier: gg
(29:46 / Allied) tinsoldier: he sent before u said kreu =s

So, he called go and just sent, while not paying attention to Tin's or my concerns about hold 17. Also Meshtar and me expressed our call before to send/clog 15, several times if I recall correctly. We couldn't hold 17, cause no units for it and too much push. But he didn't care, ignored all concerns, called "go" and instantly sent, forcing us to send with him. We barely took 3 of 4 heals with no chance to resend 16 or 17.


Then Tin and Fate kept on discussing, Tin confirming fate's solo call.

(30:44 / Allied) FateStayNight: yo go anti 17
(30:45 / Allied) FateStayNight: tin
(30:47 / Allied) FateStayNight: nn anti 15
(30:48 / Allied) FateStayNight: they wont send
(30:55 / Allied) tinsoldier: all i got is lods man
(31:00 / Allied) FateStayNight: well go lod then
(31:02 / Allied) FateStayNight: better than tb
(31:08 / Allied) FateStayNight: or 100 rr
(31:09 / Allied) FateStayNight: just
(32:33 / Allied) FateStayNight: lets finish king?
(32:45 / Allied) tinsoldier: yea we def cant kill them 17
(32:48 / Allied) tinsoldier: nor can we survive it
(32:51 / Allied) FateStayNight: we can
(32:52 / Allied) FateStayNight: if u rr
(32:54 / Allied) FateStayNight: anti 17
(33:05 / Allied) tinsoldier: its lvl 15
(33:09 / Allied) tinsoldier: theres no chance
(33:16 / Allied) tinsoldier: even if i roll into mutant troll
(33:42 / Allied) FateStayNight: well lets finish king anyway
(33:52 / Allied) tinsoldier: its not worth it really
(34:04 / Allied) FateStayNight: its the only play lol
(34:14 / Allied) tinsoldier: when ur making calls last second and then forcing it
(34:17 / Allied) tinsoldier: yea u limit our plays for sure

Solo force call 14, we lose 17. Noone was on board for his call, yet he forced it on us.

[FateStayNight]

"me expressed our call before to send/clog 15, several times if I recall correctly."

So instead of checking the chatlog yourself before you make a report, you expect the mods to do it for you?
thats pretty disrespectful.
But I make it easy for you, theres no single call by you, expect "i disagree".

[Kreutertee]

Well, it was merely a side note, but your forced call is quite obvious and documented.

But yes, my apologies, I didn't speak out my mind ingame, cause I didn't want to cause any more drama, knowing you despise me and all. And since two other players already suggested the same call, it was good enough for me and I finally supported their call with my "I disagree" statement after you calling 14 again. So how is that not enough for you?

(26:23 / Allied) Meshtarius: we can 15 though?
(26:29 / Allied) Meshtarius: plenty of clear
(26:32 / Allied) Meshtarius: but no mid imo
(27:18 / Allied) FateStayNight: i would go 13
(27:20 / Allied) FateStayNight: and clog 15
(27:22 / Allied) FateStayNight: 17
(27:23 / Allied) FateStayNight: *
(27:35 / Allied) tinsoldier: or just 15 race?
(27:36 / Allied) tinsoldier: and clog?
(27:47 / Allied) FateStayNight: feels lame
(27:49 / Allied) FateStayNight: but idc

So, two people suggested 15 clog, while we have an EA with 7/7 and me (blaster) with low income and 7/6.

But you reacted to that with "feels lame, but idc" and then you did care and forced 14 send, leading to our loss in 17.

[FateStayNight]

maybe you should go back to level 3 kreuter and analyse how you limited our options in this game by alot.

I can explain it easy to you, level 1 leak -> everyone is capable of bo level 3, we had 2 ea 1 sprite/copter mix, ea doesnt go mid vs bo in 99% of the cases and can leak quite an ammount. Blaster on the otherhand is superstrong 3 and was our only possible mid against send.
If you cant even admit it was tk (everyone in our team knew it was tk except you it seems) then i think your not lihlworthy.

Btw there was no single call bout clog 15, just suggestions. And as tins stated later in Discord, he didnt intend to clog. Btw you need to setup for clog, since we didnt do that till level 14, it was too late anyway. But i guess with ur gameknowledge its hard for you to understand calls.

I think you know yourself that this request is ridiculous.

[FadingSuns]

Ima process this,

Fate already unvouched 5 days wich will make him think about his last 2/3 days of rage...

[FateStayNight]

i dont like this answer, can you pls explain him that this report is pure bullshit?

[FadingSuns]

U both plz talk in discord because this cant continue as it is atm. I dont wanna have u both reporting each other for pure bullshit 3 times on a daily basis. Short ur problems plz

Specially when im willing u both to become mods and substitute me. Pure tk behave tbh.

[Kreutertee]

I don't like this answer as well.

His current 5 day unvouch is due to a completely different game/reason. What does it have to do with this request? Why is that not getting processed?

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[Meshtar]

Just to help lessen the drama. I don't support this report. I was in the team with Kreut, Fate and Tin that game and ye it was pretty bad experience mostly cause of bad communication and yeah Fate shares some fault there. That being said he didn't force that call really. I asked for 15, Tin kinda supported weakly, Fate was against and wanted 13 17 instead, Kreut was silent. Then Tin suggested 14 and fate agreed with 14 and wanted to hold 17, but then the argument started how 17 is impossible to hold actually with our towers blah blah. Kreut said he disagrees with 14 and I didn't comment on 14 call, I felt it is over anyway. Either way it was late for a reasonable 15 send and clog cause no one except me pushed good so Fate just pushed the 14 call. Was it communicated good? No. Was there a way to communicate good that game? No. It was a messy call in a total tk team attitude wise, so I can't blame it on Fate for actually pushing something when Tin was mostly laid back and shooting down calls and Kreut mostly silent.
Friendly advice to Fate and Tin, work on your social skills a bit, its insane that people think to dodge two top players like yourselves.