DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

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Switch the current DotA map (v6.83d) to the latest version (v6.85ne10)?

Yes
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No
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Total votes: 31

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby xSAINTx1 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:10 pm

What would it take to remove the other hero models and go back to the original ones @Tufuuu ? Do you possess the power to change this? Is 6.85ne10 not your map?

I may have claimed that it affects some aspects of play based on my resistance towards the dogshit change (sniper, ember spirit look so bad) with/without proof.

If possible, it would be great for someone to post an in-depth guide on how to make one folder to play on ENT as well as bnet's patch. The pubs hosted on ENT are superior in my opinion regardless of map, and they fill quite quickly as long as teams are not complete stomps and it's not 3 am.

I like to play a match or two to warm up before playing a sweaty inhouse game, so being able to play on both would be great. Last time I tried to copy folders, in may/early June I was unable to play on both.

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby PrincessIce » Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:02 pm

I voted for the change. At first I totally hated the new version when BK and those other trash bots hosted it. This is mostly likely because it's a 15 year old game, and if you still play it you probably have psychological tendencies of not liking change. Yes the skins are whack, and there are new items I don't use or know about, and the item purchase locations are different.... but I think it is more balanced and less people pick techies which is a plus. There are also some small hero changes I appreciate, like SA having the indicator when he is invisible and the big number of blink strikes left.

I don't think people leave ENT because of the version of MAP... it was probably mostly because it wasn't hosted on BNET anymore, like myself, I just stopped playing. Most players probably don't even know about ENT Connect. Just because the map version is changed, people aren't gonna stop playing. But the idea of getting rid of the AREM map to test out hosting the new version seems like a good compromise. Honeestly, people will probably just join the one with more people it. It doesn't hurt to do this one bit.

In conclusion, don't be scared of change, evolution is nature's way and no need to stick with something when it is in decline... if ENT doesn't adapt, it will actually probably lose MORE players to bnet. If people quit, its not because of the map but because they have something better to do with their lives.

VOTE FOR REMOVABLE OF AREM BOT AND ADD NEW MAP

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby pinheadlarry » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:28 pm

Astros wrote:It's like not wanting LED lights because you like lighting up candles.


See, you love metaphors too.

Astros wrote: Players like you have largely contributed to a declining player-base on ENT so I don't think you're in any position to start acting noble when you've damaged the community already.


Nahhh. Kar definitely ruined his share of games, but he did not purposely berate ENT's community like you. Nor did he ever try to siphon off ENT's player base. The fact you clearly stated you don't play on ENT anymore essentially invalidates your vote. You are essentially Lance Armstrong voting on the Tour De France's drug screening procedures.

PrincessIce wrote:if ENT doesn't adapt, it will actually probably lose MORE players to bnet.

This is actually completely backwards. Old man Larry has been with ENT and BNET for awhile and can offer his timeless insight. Count back many moons ago when blizzard decided to push out garbage updates that forced ENT to recede into the shadows of a private server. Remember how dota entered its darkest patch in history as the updates broke the game. Our great savior Hermit courageously restored 6.83d's former glory with additional bug fixes. We have since remained on the SAME VERSION OF WC3. When reforged comes out, there will undoubtedly be a HUGE amount of updates rolled out. It is practically inevitable that some of these updates will brick old maps. If new dota Maps are made, they will be for BNET and will not be compatible with our version. Therefore if we make the switch, we actually stand to lose players to BNET since players will follow the update stream. ENT and BNET are likely not going to be "compatible" when reforged comes out. Therefore, ENT will be the time capsule of the lost glory days of BNET and its "discontinued" maps (Dota 6.83d, customs, etc). BNET will have new incompatible maps. Therefore "nostalgia" is literally the only thing that will maintain ENT and us Candle lovers (copywrite 2019 Banter Boi) will be the butter to ENT's bread.

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby KingKar » Sat Aug 10, 2019 2:34 am

Gonna have to agree with pinhead here^, He makes a good point. When you update to 6.85, you'll soon need to update that version, and then another update, etc. The updates wont stop, and It wont feel like the same game. The vanilla version were used to will be over. It will be a copy of RGC and turn into dota 1.5. ENT is Good now because 6.83d is one of the best maps to ever be hosted. Its Been working great over the past 4 years, plus We already had H3rmit fixed the Real problem with 6.83c.

On the day astros resigned he wanted everyone to quit playing ent and move to rgc. If u change this map it will split the player base in half. He doesn't even play on ENT! So why would they care about the vote? Think about it. When shit hits the fan, these guys will be the first to leech it.

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby Astros » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:36 am

KingKar wrote:Gonna have to agree with pinhead here^, He makes a good point. When you update to 6.85, you'll soon need to update that version, and then another update, etc. The updates wont stop, and It wont feel like the same game. The vanilla version were used to will be over. It will be a copy of RGC and turn into dota 1.5. ENT is Good now because 6.83d is one of the best maps to ever be hosted. Its Been working great over the past 4 years, plus We already had H3rmit fixed the Real problem with 6.83c.

On the day astros resigned he wanted everyone to quit playing ent and move to rgc. If u change this map it will split the player base in half. He doesn't even play on ENT! So why would they care about the vote? Think about it. When shit hits the fan, these guys will be the first to leech it.


By your logic, why did ENT not update the DotA versions when newer versions came out? Hint: Because this has nothing to do with what you are suggesting but more-so the fact that 6.83d is simply far below the standards of the newer versions both on a competitive and QOL experience. This slippery slope fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope) is a fear-mongering attack from you with no basis. ENT will update the map based on the community's approval and thus far, it doesn't seem like there is even a DotA community active enough to actually debate this so of course it would be denied once again and you guys will be stuck playing a dead version while every other community moves on. 6.83d is one of the best maps when it was still current. It's not even close to being one of the best maps right now. A game still working 4 years later is not a good argument as to why it shouldn't be improved.

1) I never said people should quit playing ENT. I said RGC is better and quite frankly, that is true due to the declining player base in ENT and the fact that 6.83d is outdated.
2) I don't care which version ENT hosts and wouldn't be playing it regardless. I think the upper moderators have fallen asleep while other communities have kept things moving forward. Seems like ENT ultimately gave up when bots were removed from BNET so the inevitable decline happens eventually. I just find it laughable that players who were and are notoriously trolls/bad players who no one enjoys playing with are trying to muster up failed responses with zero facts.
3) Leech what? Dude, everyone hated you. The only reason moderators let you back in was because they were sick and tired of having to constantly check if you dodge banned or not. Stop acting like you've done positive things to help ENT when really, you might possibly be the most annoying individual ENT has dealt with.

No point in even illustrating my points further. Unfortunate for Merex who has tried twice but doesn't seem likely that it would be updated. Just a bunch of nostalgic low level players on 6.83d who still don't know how to counter techies.
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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby epicdeath » Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:49 am

@xSAINTx1 For me I just downloaded two instances of WC3 from blizzard's site. I used the patch revert (found on the wc3 connect topic) on one download and patched the other for bnet.

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby KingKar » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:21 am

By your logic, why did ENT not update the DotA versions when newer versions came out?

Yes Ent did make updates.. ENT used to update Dota up until 6.83. Icefrogs final map on ENT was 6.83. Hermit fixed some glitch and Bugs to 6.83d, He never change the gameplay. The last time we tried this ent pub chose Icefrogs (6.83) map. Its just waste of time to argue to you, your facts are wrong.

Right now, the people against it two biggest concerns are:
-Cosmetic changes
-Nostalgia

Not going to bother responding to u again. Most of your post are false. You were never real tier 1 player zam, You would avg 1600elo if you still played. Most ppl that quit ent moved on to dota 2 or just stopped playing . You only trash on ent since you left.

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby PrincessIce » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:55 pm

what is there to argue about?
Just host ne11 on the arem bot no one uses.
Then we have both games up.
And we can discuss after seeing the analytics of games played

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby Jazzy3113 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:23 pm

Please do this! It would breath some fresh air into our game.

On an unrelated note, does anyone know why the ar games have died and people only play ap now? Have the ar player gone to another gaming community?

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby phuphew » Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:53 am

Many people that were voting here don't even play on ent anymore.

I think this change would make me recover from this game too.
I'd also advise you to change the current arem bot to the new apem version and you'll get real user feedback instead of just 30 people that voted here.

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby Merex » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:22 am

Hello,

First off, thank you all for your feedback regarding this suggestion. I do appreciate that despite our current numbers that the DotA community can still stand strong and address a change and how they feel it on, regardless whom you are and what history you have here there's something all of you equally can agree on, alongside myself, and that is we like DotA. And at the end of the day, regardless of 6.83d or 6.85ne11 that it'll still be DotA.

I see a number of you are suggesting to have bot 38, also known as the DotA arem bot, switched to the newest map but I'd like to say that I feel this would not accomplish much. I do completely understand the idea behind it, especially with arem hitting less and less popularity as time goes on, but the overall map quality from v6.83d to v6.85ne11 is quite large I'd say and to have a potential community split in this day and age as result of this would not in the DotA communities best interest.

That said, I do not see it happening. And if I have to be honest, this change would best be felt if it was given to the entirety of the dota community and the only real way to accomplish this is by having the map hit the main bot and seeing how people feel on it. Like I've said before, it's not up to me though it is up to you guys.

Overall, I see the majority of the poll being to yes however with a number of no's in there as-well so the poll will remain open as it's only barely hitting 2 weeks and hopefully to have an in-game announcement on bot 11 in regards to this change proposal so those whom don't visit the forum often can have an opportunity to vote/comment on it.
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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby PrincessIce » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:45 pm

So this is not a democracy since the voters have spoken to change and ENT does not comply.

AREM isn't dead, its just dead in ENT. I play arem and sdem often on bnet. I don't see WHY it is difficult to change the arem bot to the apem for the new map. ::MEGA SHRUG::

Also, version 12 is out now, and it addresses the new skins for the heroes. you have the option of choosing classic or new skin.

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Re: DotA Map Change - v6.85ne Series

Postby Astros » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:04 am

PrincessIce wrote:So this is not a democracy since the voters have spoken to change and ENT does not comply.

AREM isn't dead, its just dead in ENT. I play arem and sdem often on bnet. I don't see WHY it is difficult to change the arem bot to the apem for the new map. ::MEGA SHRUG::

Also, version 12 is out now, and it addresses the new skins for the heroes. you have the option of choosing classic or new skin.

Unfortunately, the admins of the site are basically inactive or non-functional and the mods who are currently active cannot change or implement something like this on their own. Any ENT updates are likely not going to happen unless there is enough support and there doesn't seem to be one for this new map despite the obvious functional and QOL updates that wouldn't affect the integrity of DotA but would improve the experience for everyone. There would need to be a wider majority of polling results for this to actually pass because ENT doesn't want to frustrate the players who don't want the new map (despite them likely having never played it or their ultimate reasoning being they are too nostalgic.) Really unfortunate and I'd wonder how many of the people who voted no are actually doing so under different aliases. None of them have provided solid reasoning as to why it shouldn't be updated so it's a shame that ENT will still be behind every other platform and then when reforged comes out, these players who voted no will jump ship and be playing the newer version anyways, lol.
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