LTD 1v1 new rule

[KiwiLeKiller]

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When picking a mode other than the default one (-hpgmcb prophet or -phgmcb), the mode setter (red) must announce it in the lobby before the game starts. Every player must be informed, so they have the opportunity to leave in case of dislike. -ap mode is not allowed

there is a heal bug with ap mode and it can be abused quite a lot. Also, i suggest to add an announcement on the 1v1 bot about this addition to the rule.

[bezdak]

Or simply get Broud to finally fix the pr heals in e version so it can go live

[KiwiLeKiller]

Well, he said he is busy. Also, it is not -pr I am talking about, it is -ap.

[bezdak]

I know, It's fixed in e version but PR is bugged there, that's the only reason it's not live yet... Honestly this rule would be only temporary until the map gets updated, not sure if it's even worth it.

[aRt)Y]

What exactly is the heal bug?

[Jabba41]

When choosing -ap you can change the builder. Its bugged in 1v1 and you always get a new heal when changing builders. So you can get a total of 6 heals when abusing this, and/or wont be able to change builder after you lost your first heal as you would trigger the glitch aswell, even if you dont have bad abusive intentions.

[aRt)Y]

So why not forbid changing builder (once picked) instead of forbidding the mode itself?

[Hutzu]

ap always automatically with -gm ( 1) you cannot see opponent side, 2) you get money for opponent leaks to king, 3) you get money for your allies' leaks to middle/king.) and also -cb (change builder).

In order to get the result we want, we can ban -ap and allow -apgm. Then they cannot change the builder anymore and get the other merits they usually get.

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Edit:

I just checked and confirmed that his glitch/bug also happens with -sd and -ar modes. So those would also need to be banned and -sdgm and -argm be allowed. -sd and -ar also include the gm and cb, so that's the only way to restrict it.

[aRt)Y]

So the bugs cause more than just the healing part?

[Hutzu]

Not as far as I know. The map also has auto-heal, so you cannot restrict users from healing, as in "you may change your builder but are not allowed to use the heal again" or so. If you don't heal, then the king will be healed automatically when he hits 0 hp.

[aRt)Y]

So why not forbid changing builder (once picked) instead of forbidding the mode itself?

Why is this not possible?

[Hutzu]

I guess that works too.

1) If changing builder is forbidden and someone changes builder -> banned for glitch abuse

2) If mode is forbidden and someone still chooses it and changes builder -> banned for glitch abuse (and wrong mode ?)
If mode is forbidden and someone still chooses but does not change builder -> do nothing

Up to you. I see no major ups or downs on any of those methods. Yours seems to be easier for the community to adapt.

[aRt)Y]

@hazardous input for 1) ?

[Hutzu]

Oh @art)y for got to mention. Heals don't accumulate. That means if one changes builder BEFORE he used the heal, then the 2nd builder wont have 2 heals etc. So we could allow changing builder if heal was not used yet.

[bezdak]

So why not forbid changing builder (once picked) instead of forbidding the mode itself?

Why is this not possible?

Because most on people playing it but not the mode setters have no idea about the glitch. Changing builder is pretty much a necessity after early game, since builders are not balanced and if you don't know the glitch, only randomly join an -ap mode and get ban for something you don't know about is rly odd. For this glitch only a mode setter should be punished imo.