[LTD] [Radiantcrystal@allrealms]

[Zulunation]

Replay Link: Every Game of Whitman
Game Name: Legion TD Mega@uswest.battle.net, useast.battle.net, entconnect, europe.battle.net, asia.battle.net, whitman@useast.battle.net
Your Warcraft III Username: Zulunation
Violator's Warcraft III Username: radiantcrystal
Violated Rule(s): Multiboxing
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): different
Any further thoughts:
Hey there,
i know its really hard to catch some1 on Multiboxing. Even harder when this guy is an Admin...
In fact i was caught by Multiboxing, i get banned because i never do anything at the same time with both accounts, i get the Ban i stopped it... So Radiant should get the ban, and even should lose the elo he get from the wins with his 300elo "friend" that was by him...

Facts:
Fact 1, I looked into 10 Replays, he NEVER doing anything at the same Time with both accounts.
Fact 2, he tells in this Replay: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=7053448 that Whitman is a "noob", but he made all the time perfect Buildpositions in seconds... everybody knows that it is hard to tell a noob how to place the towers he would often sell towers and build it new... Its bad that you cant check the xx loses of Whitman to see what was going on there...
Fact 3, he like never talk anything without the game: https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=7053448 where jabba was in... and in this game he talked a lot that jabba doesnt see that he is multiboxing... he even said with Whitman in this game: (02:04 / Allied) Whitman: you forgot delay ... he typed with the wrong window or PC, why should whitman know that he has to build delay? And why the hell should he type it when they sit next to each other???
Fact 4, in the same Game: (03:37 / Allied) Jabba14: ... did you created these stats? ^^
and RadiantCrystal and not Whitman answered it...
Fact 5, https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=7053778 (24:03 / All) Swietlik: have you noticed? red pc is laggin when he writes

Sorry but for me that is 100% Multiboxing...
I hope some Admin can look exactly into this even when he is an Admin. he should even lose every elo that you achieved together with Whitman to make the Run on the Place Nr.1 fair...

Thanks and have a nice evening...

[RadiantCrystal]

lol sure thing, I explained all the above scenarios to you but you don't seem to believe.

@Jabba41
@KinG23
@hazardous

You guys can share your thoughts

[DoomsdayCartman]

hi guys
"if radi... " created these multibox acc and lose or leave games to ruin games+his own elo to push later the realacc. then radian would ruin the cumunity.
that would be a bad move for all! hope for some statesments:D

[RadiantCrystal]

@Zulunation

Fact1 obviously you didn't see the replays when we did cross
Fact2 I sit next to him so he build nearly perfectly because why I am a skilled player and hes a good listener
Fact3 lol like I care if it was an admin or not, I played with other admins in those times too and I don't need to "cover" myself up. If you watched the replay where we made cross, I forgot to make delay, so why wouldn't he know about delay? Obviously I explained to him.
Fact4 I already said multiple times he stopped playing in 2012 when jabba or me isn't even here yet, it's only natural.
Fact5 idk wtf that has to do with all this, I DC'd once in the games but he didn't, what does it show?

Just to kill time

[WHYme]

@nabo. @hyo

[matdas]

going through https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=7053448
Randomly scrolling through drm...
1:04 <RadiantCrystal> [All] ?
1:04 <Whitman> 0x1A: Pre subselection
1:04 <Whitman> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Prophet] 0x00001537000047E1
1:04 <RadiantCrystal> 0x1A: Pre subselection
1:04 <RadiantCrystal> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Prophet] 0x00001568000047B6

they select builder at same time,

1:05 <draga04> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: 5732.1, Y: 3009.9, flags: 0x0000)
9:05 <Whitman> 0x1A: Pre subselection
9:05 <Whitman> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Prophet] 0x00001537000047E1
9:05 <RadiantCrystal> 0x1A: Pre subselection
9:05 <RadiantCrystal> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Prophet] 0x00001568000047B6

again they select at the same time.

22:04 <RadiantCrystal> 0x1A: Pre subselection
22:04 <RadiantCrystal> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Town] 0x000012A4000012A4
22:04 <Whitman> 0x1A: Pre subselection
22:04 <Whitman> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Town] 0x000012D2000012D2

selects town hall at same time...

From this conclusion i can see that he is not multi boxing in this game.


For: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 053778.w3g

0:48 <RadiantCrystal> 0x1A: Pre subselection
0:48 <RadiantCrystal> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Prophet] 0x000018B500004B49
0:48 <Whitman> 0x1A: Pre subselection
0:48 <Whitman> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Prophet] 0x0000161000004B1E

same time selection


6:18 <Whitman> 0x1A: Pre subselection
6:18 <Whitman> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Prophet] 0x0000161000004B1E
6:18 <RadiantCrystal> 0x1A: Pre subselection
6:18 <RadiantCrystal> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Barracks] 0x0000139700001397

selection same time.

12:54 <RadiantCrystal> 0x1A: Pre subselection
12:54 <RadiantCrystal> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Barracks] 0x0000139700001397
12:54 <Whitman> 0x16: Remove from selection: 0x0000161000004B1E
12:54 <Whitman> 0x16: Add to selection: 0x00004DA70000DAB2
12:54 <Whitman> 0x1A: Pre subselection
12:54 <Whitman> 0x19: Select Subgroup: [Bone Warrior] 0x00004DA70000DAB2

selection at same time.

From these conclusions i can safely say that there is no multi boxing in this game.


My analysis: Radiantcrystal and whitman are two separate entities.

[Zulunation]

and what is this pre subselection thing?

[WHYme]

impossible they select all time togheter lol they are two robots? lol

[matdas]

and what is this pre subselection thing?

A basic command that is recorded in DRM: https://code.google.com/p/dota-replay-m ... e.txt?r=29 (line 228-229)
basic commands (e.g. rightclick, move/attack/stop, pre
subselection)

Essentially, in this instance, these commands have no use. What you should be paying attention to are the select subgroup units at the same time. Thus making it impossible to assume that it is one person playing.

impossible they select all time togheter lol they are two robots? lol

Exactly, since we can see that there are two different people playing, through the DRM log, that it is impossible for one of these two players to be a robot, since AI cannot effectively play LTD.

[Jabba41]

Well a i told you, from what i saw i believe they're 2 different people. When he answered it's "different"... I play and chat a lot with radiantcrystal so i know the way he texts and notice when it's not him. You know what i mean i guess.

Matdas proved that they're not multiboxing and i saw it in the game i played with him aswell that they moved together.

To Fact 2: If a "noob" listens he can be quite good, and build order is easy to explain when you sit next to each other.
To Fact 4: we talked about this later in chat, he was busy explaining him some stuff so it's quite logical he might missed to answer ingame.
To Fact 5: Useless information


DRM from th game we played:

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  0:52 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1212.78, Y: 2726.84, flags: 0x0000)
  0:52 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -973.39, Y: 2749.76, flags: 0x0000)
  0:53 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -973.39, Y: 2749.76, flags: 0x0000)
  0:53 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1212.78, Y: 2726.84, flags: 0x0000)
  0:55 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1207.59, Y: 2671.76, flags: 0x0000)
  0:56 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -901.79, Y: 2976.94, flags: 0x0000)
 
    6:11 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1681.56, Y: 2937.03, flags: 0x0000)
  6:11 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1603.95, Y: 2982.26, flags: 0x0000)
  6:11 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1681.14, Y: 2934.20, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1653.49, Y: 2854.22, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1464.93, Y: 2896.76, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1560.42, Y: 2783.06, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1459.94, Y: 2896.76, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1466.94, Y: 2921.08, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1295.07, Y: 2747.35, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1216.37, Y: 2785.64, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1501.58, Y: 2939.99, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1198.48, Y: 2840.81, flags: 0x0000)
  6:12 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1524.53, Y: 2945.70, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1533.46, Y: 2947.61, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1496.56, Y: 2936.43, Target: 0x000047B600001568, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1525.26, Y: 2934.30, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1510.37, Y: 2909.82, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1634.42, Y: 3003.36, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1502.25, Y: 2894.90, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1616.21, Y: 2822.21, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1496.19, Y: 2801.22, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1533.34, Y: 2919.20, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1294.88, Y: 2742.31, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1542.98, Y: 2936.19, flags: 0x0000)
  6:13 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1296.55, Y: 2749.87, flags: 0x0000)
  6:14 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1297.06, Y: 2801.22, flags: 0x0000)
  6:14 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1533.43, Y: 2921.08, flags: 0x0000)
  6:14 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1307.16, Y: 2806.44, flags: 0x0000)
  6:14 <RadiantCrystal> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1529.49, Y: 2917.32, flags: 0x0000)
  6:14 <Whitman> 0x12: Target order: smart (X: -1315.64, Y: 2806.44, flags: 0x0000)
   

-> For me it's clear he dont multibox, we even asked him once in chat when we wanted to play. And he said he was gone and only there for 2 days. And why should he multibox just 2 days and never before or again since then. Especially asking other Mods to come and play with him... would be a little risky ^^ And tbh i payed attention in the game we played and they dont multibox from what i saw, as the DRM log confirms

Denied.

If you requiere i will look through more games in the DRM log, but it isnt needed at all after matdas and me did already in 3 games.

[nabo.]

@whyme

Sorry for the delayed response. I had life things to take care.

Anyway,

https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=7060201
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=7060115

Two distinct players playing at the same time. No multibox.

Therefore, your suspicion is false.