Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 013916.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #14
Your Warcraft III Username: UR.Dead
Violator's Warcraft III Username: ALM and Saitobatch
Violated Rule(s): Pausing during game play to ruin the fight - Axe. Maphacking - pudge.
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): Maphacks all game but knows where I am in fog at 16:18 and rushes behind forest and hooks me. - Saitobatch
ALM - Pauses game during game play to ruin game team fight 17:55 caused us to lose team fight , and - ALM 23:57 - Pausing during fight, caused lag for us
Any further thoughts: ALM kept pausing during team fights to ruin gameplay, and Pudge was MHing all game.
[DOTA] ALM - pause during team fight to ruin Saitobatch - Maphack
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[DOTA] saitobatch@entconnect
Replay Link: http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 013726.w3g
Game Name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #2
Your Warcraft III Username: grapes[a]@uswest
Violator's Warcraft III Username: saitobatch@entconnect
Violated Rule(s): Maphack
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): (Please see below)
12:00 lc creeps into side lane in an attempt to gank sniper under fog. (suspicious)
15:30 lc is farming then suddenly backs as sven and slark gets close (mildly suspicious)
19:00 lc blinks in the same spot where sniper was at 12 mins, as sniper lothar's lc seems to path sniper invisible.
No reason for lc to also blink to that same spot, he will only blink to that spot when sniper is farming the ancients.
And then backs away after not catching sniper. (highly suspicious)
25 through 26 min: lc picks up invis and then roams into the jungle as soon as the scourge leaves jungle he finds a lone sven and kills him. (suspicious)
29:00 lc picks up a haste rune, and goes to scourges jungle, (this wouldn't be suspicious as many players do this) but this is suspicious because as soon as he gets close to sven he blinks, dust and duels him right away. (Why didn't he blink before?) (suspicious)
30:00 lc backs away from rosh as soon as slark and sniper gets close to him. (mildly suspicious)
30:15 lc again goes after sniper in the same spot as 12:00 and 19:00. Stopped chasing sniper when he backed. (suspicious)
Any further thoughts: Sidenote:
LC throughout the game will only play aggressive (push towers alone) when there are none or only one enemy team close to the tower.
Game Name: [ENT] DotA apem us/ca #2
Your Warcraft III Username: grapes[a]@uswest
Violator's Warcraft III Username: saitobatch@entconnect
Violated Rule(s): Maphack
Time of Violation (in-game or replay): (Please see below)
12:00 lc creeps into side lane in an attempt to gank sniper under fog. (suspicious)
15:30 lc is farming then suddenly backs as sven and slark gets close (mildly suspicious)
19:00 lc blinks in the same spot where sniper was at 12 mins, as sniper lothar's lc seems to path sniper invisible.
No reason for lc to also blink to that same spot, he will only blink to that spot when sniper is farming the ancients.
And then backs away after not catching sniper. (highly suspicious)
25 through 26 min: lc picks up invis and then roams into the jungle as soon as the scourge leaves jungle he finds a lone sven and kills him. (suspicious)
29:00 lc picks up a haste rune, and goes to scourges jungle, (this wouldn't be suspicious as many players do this) but this is suspicious because as soon as he gets close to sven he blinks, dust and duels him right away. (Why didn't he blink before?) (suspicious)
30:00 lc backs away from rosh as soon as slark and sniper gets close to him. (mildly suspicious)
30:15 lc again goes after sniper in the same spot as 12:00 and 19:00. Stopped chasing sniper when he backed. (suspicious)
Any further thoughts: Sidenote:
LC throughout the game will only play aggressive (push towers alone) when there are none or only one enemy team close to the tower.
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Re: [DOTA] ALM - pause during team fight to ruin Saitobatch - Maphack
@tyler11
One instance isn't enough to accuse of MH; do you have more evidence than just this one timestamp? You should, considering you say all game.
One instance isn't enough to accuse of MH; do you have more evidence than just this one timestamp? You should, considering you say all game.
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Re: [DOTA] ALM - pause during team fight to ruin Saitobatch - Maphack
Well I know he is maphacking but i can't prove it. But for player ALM is pausing RIGHT during a team fight bannable? i thought it was and he did that
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Re: [DOTA] ALM - pause during team fight to ruin Saitobatch - Maphack
@darklord1992 I dont believe this player is using maphack. All of your timestamps are explainable in my opinion
The first one, he has vision of sniper omni and gondar at the bottom lane second tower at 1424. Hes loses vison of sniper as sniper moves towards the secret shop. At 1450 he has vision of slark and omni in mid lane. He has one allie in the scourge woods so has vision of a decent amount there, and 3 scourge heroes are missing, so it isnt much of a stretch to think someone might be farming the creep camp near the secret shop.
Your second event I cant find.
The second time legion finds sniper at the camp by the secret shop also is not unexpected. He commented and pinged earlier that sniper had been farming there.
When he is in the river prior to killing sven there are no scourge heroes visible on the minimap. Not much of a stretch to think to check the woods. So he goes invis and enters wood behind jugg, who you all ambush with 4 players. Legion is present during that ambush but invisible, and when all of you go mid he goes to check the creep camp in the other direction and runs into sven.
When legion picks up the haste rune there are no heroes visible on the minimap, so its pretty likely someone is foresting. He checks two creep camps first, then blinks to area close to a third. I think the blink was prudent guesswork, and I think if he was hacking he would have landed it a lot closer than he did. He blinks and then takes a second to react, so it does not appear to me he had vision of sven beforehand.
The rosh example was explained by the presence of wards. He saw slark and sniper coming.
Finally, sniper kept creeping there, it wasnt a secret, so I dont think it suspicious that legion kept checking.
Having said all that, I appreciate your reporting this, but I dont think this player is using maphack.
@tyler11 I think pudges play is clever and good, but I dont see evidence for maphack here.
alm banned 24 hours for ingame pause.
The first one, he has vision of sniper omni and gondar at the bottom lane second tower at 1424. Hes loses vison of sniper as sniper moves towards the secret shop. At 1450 he has vision of slark and omni in mid lane. He has one allie in the scourge woods so has vision of a decent amount there, and 3 scourge heroes are missing, so it isnt much of a stretch to think someone might be farming the creep camp near the secret shop.
Your second event I cant find.
The second time legion finds sniper at the camp by the secret shop also is not unexpected. He commented and pinged earlier that sniper had been farming there.
When he is in the river prior to killing sven there are no scourge heroes visible on the minimap. Not much of a stretch to think to check the woods. So he goes invis and enters wood behind jugg, who you all ambush with 4 players. Legion is present during that ambush but invisible, and when all of you go mid he goes to check the creep camp in the other direction and runs into sven.
When legion picks up the haste rune there are no heroes visible on the minimap, so its pretty likely someone is foresting. He checks two creep camps first, then blinks to area close to a third. I think the blink was prudent guesswork, and I think if he was hacking he would have landed it a lot closer than he did. He blinks and then takes a second to react, so it does not appear to me he had vision of sven beforehand.
The rosh example was explained by the presence of wards. He saw slark and sniper coming.
Finally, sniper kept creeping there, it wasnt a secret, so I dont think it suspicious that legion kept checking.
Having said all that, I appreciate your reporting this, but I dont think this player is using maphack.
@tyler11 I think pudges play is clever and good, but I dont see evidence for maphack here.
alm banned 24 hours for ingame pause.
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