banned for ff abuse?

[kasper699]

Your Warcraft III username: bumpimp
Realm/Gateway: us west
Why are you banned: banned for ff abuse?
Why you should be unbanned: i thought if the team all agree to the ff it would not be abuse?


i know the rules state no vote kick or ff abuse but all 4 of our team where happy to ff?

i think a 5 day ban for this is little unfair from amonn

[Panopticon]

It's the reasoning behind it. While I do agree on a personal level with y'all on it being used to screw with an intentional gamethrower's stats and point him out, that's also the reason why it was considered ff abuse.

[Yarragon]

Gotta say I'm in support of what this guy did. You don't get stats like Charnel's without intentionally ruining games (look at players like king.kar and the booster in dota.)

[Sylvanas]

ban request

[kasper699]

i would love a 2nd opinion for this ban link below

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=133595

thank you for your time. on this stupid matter, its not like we where abusing FF we FF in 1 game not a string of games. i think FF should be taken out of the game since when a team agrees to ff its classed as abuse

[Panopticon]

A post from @Zeratul that should sum it up better:

viewtopic.php?f=7&p=517122#p517122

Despite him being a troll or not (Personally you dont get to 0/33 without putting effort in it, whether it is LTD, DotA or whatever the game genre), !ff abuse is definitely part of the rules, and bannable for it (Usually a team can decide to !ff, and only the own team has a say in that matter, meaning that if 3 decide to !ff, and game result isn't defined yet, the 4th member can report the other 3 and have them banned for it; However in your case, the context is different:

You dind't forfeit cause game was over, you decided to use forfeit to counter the troll, which is a nono - Not only are you breaking the rules, but you're also wasting everyone's time in that game, and most likely the reason why you were banned -> If someone is breaking the rules (whether it is trolling, teamkill, gameruin, etc.), you wait for the game to end, collect the necessary information and fill in the ban request: Violating the rules yourself won't make it look better just cause you're trying to prove a point.

And yes, the duration is reasonable given the context/intentions behind it

TL;DR Next time, play the game, and report him after, and let the moderators handle it - Taking actions ingame (aka breaking the rules) is not, and will never be the solution

EDIT:

so dose this mean every game that someone ff would be classsed as abuse? or do you have to wait for the other team to send and HODL! cant FF yet.... WAIT till every one leaks to the king. HODL!!!!!!! use 4 heals.... now we can ff because it might be abuse?

Childish reaction - Moderators review the replays before processing ban(s), and you can see when the game is over or not: If you decide to !ff after a fail send on 1, you clearly know game isn't over, don't you? Whether a send on 12 with 100 leaks to king, with no possible chance to survival (despite king control), wont lead to a ban (darn it, i doubt anyone would even report you for !ff at that point rofl) .. Just don't generalize it, ban requests are handled on a case by case, and !ff abuse is not a black or white rule - context/situation is taken in consideration

[kasper699]

i just pulled a random prossed ban requests

@sl4ck viewtopic.php?f=24&t=133434
jn92#europe.battle.net is banned 2 days for trolling / refusing to cooperate

but yet a FF abuse got 250% harsher punishment.

lets have a look at another case: @beerlord viewtopic.php?f=24&t=133372

Multiple episodes of afk confirmed. Plus his early deaths were so careless they looked intentional.
HeyThereImKevin banned 3 days for afk/game ruin.

AFK and game ruiner only 3 days?

still FF abuse is 166% worce then afk and game ruiner

i guess stopping a troll is worce then game ruiner, trolling, afk, refusing to cooperate.




the iceing on the cake this one.....
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=133214&p=517049&hilit=ff+abuse#p517049

this game the guy broke 2 rules AS abuse and FF ABUSE and 2nd offence only 4 days

[benchod96]

you guys always talk about breaking rules that are more or less not listed

[Zeratul]

you guys always talk about breaking rules that are more or less not listed

http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?title=Home -> http://wiki.entgaming.net/index.php?tit ... ming:Rules

General Rules

Any form of votekick and !ff abuse.

You mean this?

Also props to kasper for picking random brqs and comparing them to this situation - different context, different offenses, different intentions (I bet you can find lower ban durations, if you know how to)

[kasper699]

i know there would be different context and situations for the other bans, but i dont understand if all 4 people on the same team wanted to FF why cant they?
http://storage.entgaming.net/replay/vie ... 259956.w3g
(22:52 / Allied) Deson_Ofman: !ff
(22:55 / Allied) bumpimp: !ff
(22:56 / Allied) LightYagami: !ff
(23:00 / Allied) dfggdfgdfgddfgj: !ff


i bet there is a way to quire and find another case of ff abuse i have had a try unable to =(

[kasper699]

HOUSE IS ON FIRE! CANT LEAVE LTD BECAUSE IF I FF I MIGHT GET BANNED!

[Zeratul]

Apoth just quoted my response on the other topic, that answers what you're asking:

Despite him being a troll or not (Personally i agree - You dont get to 0/33 without putting effort in it, whether it is LTD, DotA or whatever the game genre), !ff abuse is definitely part of the rules, and bannable for it (Usually a team can decide to !ff, and only the own team has a say in that matter, meaning that if 3 decide to !ff, and game result isn't defined yet, the 4th member can report the other 3 and have them banned for it; However in your case, the context is different:

You dind't forfeit cause game was over, you decided to use forfeit to counter the troll, which is a nono - Not only are you breaking the rules, but you're also wasting everyone's time in that game, and most likely the reason why you were banned -> If someone is breaking the rules (whether it is trolling, teamkill, gameruin, etc.), you wait for the game to end, collect the necessary information and fill in the ban request: Violating the rules yourself won't make it look better just cause you're trying to prove a point.

And yes, the duration is reasonable given the context/intentions behind it

TL;DR Next time, play the game, and report him after, and let the moderators handle it - Taking actions ingame (aka breaking the rules) is not, and will never be the solution

[Sylvanas]

It's funny to think of all the bannable offenses that go ignored because no one is bothered enough to report them. So let's sum this up. The forfeiting team members were all okay with the issue of the vote (they even made sure everyone agreed before inputting the 3/4 required votes). As for the other team, why wouldn't they agree with winning a game they thought they had lost? So everything indicated that this "offense" would go ignored, since no one could possibly take offense to it, especially not to the point that they'd go make a ban request over it.

This isn't what happened. The only person that could be bothered by this turn of events, a repeat game thrower, considered that his game throwing was harmed by it, so a ban request was made. That was the critical moment, the key element that caused things to unfold the way they did: a game thrower was angry at what had happened, because it made the game throwing business a tiny bit more difficult for him and we can't have that now, can we?

In the end, the rules were followed and the offenders were banned accordingly. This is good. We should all be happy that everything went according to what the rules tell us, because the rules are great and true.

[Yarragon]

It's funny to think of all the bannable offenses that go ignored because no one is bothered enough to report them. So let's sum this up. The forfeiting team members were all okay with the issue of the vote (they even made sure everyone agreed before inputting the 3/4 required votes). As for the other team, why wouldn't they agree with winning a game they thought they had lost? So everything indicated that this "offense" would go ignored, since no one could possibly take offense to it, especially not to the point that they'd go make a ban request over it.

This isn't what happened. The only person that could be bothered by this turn of events, a repeat game thrower, considered that his game throwing was harmed by it, so a ban request was made. That was the critical moment, the key element that caused things to unfold the way they did: a game thrower was angry at what had happened, because it made the game throwing business a tiny bit more difficult for him and we can't have that now, can we?

In the end, the rules were followed and the offenders were banned accordingly. This is good. We should all be happy that everything went according to what the rules tell us, because the rules are great and true.

Seriously... *Slow claps for Sylv in awe.*

He's figured it out. He has cracked the code, solved the matrix.

[kasper699]

Locked for now.