Lihldiabloduck as moderator?

[Krayyzie]

Isnt it time to remove his moderator status? Obviously he is acting as if he controls the rest of the mods, and he´s about to do a big hit on Lihl which will remove alot of activity in the league.

The Unvouch bottom 5 players, was orginally an idea from BBB from what I´ve heard, and 3 moderators agreed upon it from start(probably without enough thoughts about it tho), but once it was posted there was a huge forum discussion with probably 15-20 players from lihl community who did prove it wasnt a correct decision, mainly because it doesnt penalize the worst players, but it penalizes the the ones with around 45% win rates and high ammount of games rather than people with 30% win rates and 40-60 games. Its also already proven to penalize players who´s been 900-1000 elo during whole league and ends up with 1 day loosing 150 elo in 15 games(a bad run that even lihldiabloduck had himself @ start of league) ,and put them to bottom 5.

However, once those 15-20 players posting in that thread has said their part, also 3/4 of the orginally mods who agreed to the idea, Beepboopbeep,Dweller and Supersexyy has changed their mind, and are against the decision atm, however, atm they are being run over by lihldiabloduck and he intends to follow through with a clearly proven wrong decision from start.

Personally I believe this is enough to remove his lihl moderator status as his personal agenda in this matter is to make sure their decision stands rather than making the right decision, and a moderator should always go for making the right decision imho? Or Its more important to stay with a decision that 3/4 who orginally agreed to it says its a bad decision and 20-25( probably half community has gone against)

If this goes through, I wont go back to lihl, and probably not ent at all and I hope there are more people showing how they feel about this kind of actions from 1 person.
My suggestion : Remove lihlmoderator status for Duckie and keep the league alive instead of trying to kill it.

[bit]

I still agree on unvouching bot 5, it's not fun to play with underskilled players, better to dodge the signing and play another game.

[Krayyzie]

Bit, feel free to read the thread where where the announcement came, bot 5 ..Isnt the 5 underskilled players, for example in this case, if you are 950 elo after 100 games, and have a bad day at end of season loosing 8/9 games in a row, does that mean u are underskilled? In this case as written in the thread, for example Lihldiabloduck who made this decision on his go through on his own after all other lihl mods went against it, was Last player with way below 800 elo due to an early loosing streak, if he´d have that loosing streak at end he´d be unvouched, even tho he ends up with 1100+ elo.

[iG0D]

I agree with the 1 day of bad luck because we all know in LIHL its 80% luck 20% skill lol and if u go up against 2 archers in a 2v2... 99/100 u lost lol

I agree there are some people who are a little under qualified to be in LIHL.... BUT we are tryin to grow this community and by doing this ur killing what could be great...

In the first month of LIHL we had like 20 people and now we are up to like 50 which is great but this action might scare people away and even worse take away the people who really care about this game and have a desire to keep it growing to be something great...

I think if we are going to have a unvouch party that we need to take votes from the community and not 4 horsemen

[Drahque]

It's definitely wrong to make a momentarily criteria unvouch, which is also what we discussed in the other topic. Where Diablo and I tried hard to explain why basing skill on elo alone is wrong, we'd need at least 3 criteria's and it to be permanently in operation, and not just ONE single day out of 3 months. If we had used my suggestion, we'd still have gotten rid of the least 15-20 skilled players, and people like ig0d who definitely doesn't deserve an unvouch, would still have been in the League.

But yes, it's DEFINITELY wrong of Duck to go against what 75 % of the admins decide and 95 % of the League... And more importantly, this isn't the first time using admin for his own good, try and check out this topic (here he used his powers on ANOTHER admin):
- viewtopic.php?f=85&t=12299

[DonaldtheDuckie]

Wishing a mod removed because he is enforcing the admins decision lol. If you got a problem with my moderatorship, then go to the complaint section of the forums and do a thread.

I wish you well in whatever you should chose to pursuit.

Dont make double threads however about removing bottom 5, we allready have one such thread. So make up your mind, either make new objective arguments in the discussion thread and we will use it to re evaluate come september, or if you feel I've acted unprofessional in any way, then feel free to do a complaint thread.

I feel that I've done some work for trying to help the lihl evolve into a positive direction by enforcing an announcement which was made by an unanimous mod decision for a timeperiod for over 3 weeks.

You may not agree to it Brave, as the announcements effect removed you as one of the 5 bottom players, but I did not make you a part of the bottom 5. Your gameplay did. I'm locking this thread and moving it to archive, you got 3 options. 1. accept that your gameplay landed you in bottom 5 and the announcement makes you unable to play lihl throughout season 2.
2. make new arguments in the discussion forum
3. make a complaint against any admin or moderator, which you feel have acted unprofessional.

[iG0D]

I think its funny because I am a big name people like furbolg and duck probably just wanna try to put the power on me and try to keep me on the bench... which i see as another form of headhunting... kinda sad imo i mean come on guys its a fucking game... no one likes to lose but its just a game based on 80% luck.... i mean who doesnt sit there and yell at their screen saying PLEASE GIVE ME ARCHERS!!!!!!! lol

Just stop killing what we tried so hard to make...

[Krayyzie]

actually,when it comes to myself, i was nr 5 from bottom, but if u didnt decide which games u go straight to elo change after dc ( the game with achillesgr yesterday) And Unvouch a player who used 2 accounts instead of merging them (on the last day of the season), i wouldnt be bot 5.
However, we dont need more arguments as 3 of the main 4 people @ start of this decision changed their minds( Beepboopbeep, Supersexyy and Dweller), Also reste of community is against it. And you are the Only one one active in lihl still for this measure of good/bad. At start of league you were way below 800 elo yourself, which means u have been a way worse player than some of the players down there, and should be unvouched, compared to...as u did in ur post, me, I´ve been 900-1000 elo throughout whole season and ran into a 10 game loss streak putting me down to 750 in 1 day. Which isnt even close to ur bad run @ start of season.

But keep showing ur power even tho you and the rest of the community knows you are wrong, you are mainly making a joke of yourself when you go against All other lihl mods in this decision.

[bit]

I agree with the 1 day of bad luck because we all know in LIHL its 80% luck 20% skill lol and if u go up against 2 archers in a 2v2... 99/100 u lost lol

I don't agree that it's 80% luck and 20% skill, otherwise you would'nt see consistent players in top. Skill is not just knowledge of a map, but also ability to communicate, take risks, make calls, and much more. Well, if you playing 2v2 and was unlucky to be vs archers, it's kinda your problem, don't play 2v2.

Duckie can carry hard game, as well as he can lose it. I can't say the same about every unvouched player from bot 5. If they are in bottom all the time, it means that they are underskilled.

[Diablo_]

I don't see a reason to blame/flame Duck?
The mods as a whole wanted this idea to go live and as long as the majority of them don't tell Duck not to enforce it why shouldn't he do it?
Yes I still say this idea is pure crap, I still think none of the bottom 5 players should have been unvouched and I also still think this is very bad for the league. But you honestly can't blame one single mod just because he enforces an idea which was agreed on by our mods in the first place and was never canceled.

[Krayyzie]

Diablo, its simple, All the other 3 who were part of the first discussion of going with this idea has tried to change the decision, while Duck enforces is because he wants the mods to keep to their word. He isnt doing this because he thinks its the fair or right move, he does it because he wants to feel the power he has, its obviously in his nature to do exactly the opposite of what everything thinks and it gives him the feeling of power...

Beepboopbeep, Supersexyy, and Dweller, Once again, the 3 players except duck who did the main part of deciding this has been trying to change the decision, with the rest of the community behind them ( Everyone in the thread that announced it).

Also the fact that he did unvouch a player with 2 accounts instead of merging the accounts day before season ends, and denied dc penalty when asked for it ingame, sayin its needed to post in forum, while a few games earlier he went to do a dc penalty himself quick and easy) Which means the bot 5 list isnt even accurate.

[dweiler]

Brave, I do agree with the unvouching of the bottom 5, but I do understand there are some problems here: out of the problems I have heard those spring out to me: 1. people only knew it 1 week in advance. 2. People could not "act" in the season upon knowing the bottom 5 would be removed.

For the future a working mechanism has to be chosen (really there is no other choice than an automatic mechanism to unvouch) and I think removing bottom 5 is a good method for that.

I want to make a proposal to everyone. How about we do not unvouch anyone this season, but start this season by saying the bottom 5 + inactives will be removed at the end of the season? From now on, everyone will know and can act upon it.

To me it seems a middle road between players who are upset now because they got unvouched on a 1 week notice and the need for a working mechanism.

Would like to hear some thoughts on this

Edit: we can of course also take a system which shows activity and win-rate too, as Drahque proposed.

Edit2: The title and first post in this thread are totally retarded so please know I am not responding to that.

[Krayyzie]

Btw some proves of last post i wrote about lihl doing it different from case to case

lihl30v is the game he wouldnt do a dc penalty
And vigorousapathy got unvouched with 2 different accounts on the Last day, merge those accounts and do a dc penalty as he was asked to do and the bot 5 list would be different
If I wrote this only for me that would be enough not to good unvouched, but the fact is this way to kick people rather kick people with 45-47% wins on 200 games than players with 35% wins on 60 games.


Important information on the end of season 1

Read through that thread and you would see Alot of fair and good reasons why going for bot elo players wouldnt be enough to decide which are the worst players, mainly if they are bottom for seasons it´d be right, but there are alot of ways to get down there without doing that bad,
For example a player who is around 900 elo after 500 games, run into a bad roll 6 games in a row at end of season(loosing 90 elo in 2-3 hours time) while doing good for 500 games.
Is this really a player who has the least skill in the league?

A few other reasons not to go for pure elo when doin it
1: there´s several players sitting in channel watchin first 3 players to sign, then only signs if they get into the right team, and doesnt sign if they dont get the ally they want.(Do random teams maybe will remove this possibility?)
2: Also players who plays 30 games and succedes to get 10 wins can have higher elo than a player playing 500 games with 240 wins. wonder who´s best in most cases.
3: Many of the players who get unvouched in this case has a win rate of over 45%, that means they win 9/20 games, that means loosing 4 games in a row at start of league then win 50% of ur games and ur among bottom 5?
4: by Drahque » Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:13 pm check that post in the announcement thread for last season, where he puts up 19 players who wouldnt even have a chance to compete vs any in bot 5, and most players would agree with it


Also as mickey writes in the last thread, coming out with this announcement less than 1 week before end is very good, and keeping the decision while whole community including the mods are against because 1 mod is alittle bit to much stubborn doesnt prove anything but fail.
As written above, the thread where the announcement was written is enough to prove that its a bad decision. And with a whole community saying that, its very good that 1 moderator bosses around with the rest of the moderators in the league...

[Drahque]

But you honestly can't blame one single mod just because he enforces an idea which was agreed on by our mods in the first place and was never canceled.

Check out this topic, where I show how the community tried 26 times to tell it would be a huge mistake to unvouch bottom 5:
- viewtopic.php?f=72&t=13306

Even though, Duck decided to ignore what very respected and long-time Lihl members/players such as; Willie64, Diablo_, Gouus, Dark_Magician, Iznogood, Feor, Furbolg, iightfyre, Hate2Lose and (Dweller) were all against the idea.

[Krayyzie]

I asked nicely to get some info on who made up the list of the people who got unvouched for inactivity, may i ask who came up with it? Found quite alot of players who didnt get unvouched who´s inactive or according to aka checker has 2 accounts that both took place in lihl

32.beckham Hasnt played a game for over 1 month, almost 1.5 months, I´d consider that inactive?
avitaenoir 2 months since last game
darkmagiangirl no games in 1 month(lots of pub but no lihl), Also wingblade, known for destroying games
chickenmadness how many games does he have? Never seen this guy, my guess is 3( could be wrong)
Frans How many games? Wild guess 10 games, 30-40% win rate according to aka checker he´s also memphis. (double aka in lihl?)
Memphis According to aka checker also Frans
tpy6agyp No lihl games in his history, another inactive?
johannaa Friend of duck i guess? I think 5 games 5 losses, but once someone told me she was a friend of Duck..might be true,might not be.. Also according to aka checker she´s also sharing account with hydra.
Hydra. According to aka checker also Johannaa

Feel free to check up on the info, my guess is duck did the inactive kicks and left some of his friends in, but since he wont tell me if its right or wrong i figured i´d post it here and its a possible abuse again...
Or I guess only a few of the lihl rules has to be followed word by word?