complaints about drahque

[skillerinstinct]

I really don't like to dramatize things, but drahque is just annoying/impossible to play with.

I just had the joy to play with him again. It was a 4s and he completely refused to teamplay again. https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=2244037
3 of us wanted to send on 16 for income or mb few heals, but he tried to force his will of saving through to 20 and didnt send on 16 so it was a fail. After that he was crying non stop and even insulting Patarinsky.
It's not important who was right there, but thats just total lack of teamplay.

I know there are many people who are annoyed of drahque's behaviour. Last time viewtopic.php?f=83&t=17376 .(for some reason there is a complaing once a month at least about him.)
I better don't try to find all the old complaint threads now. Don't know why he even got revouched.

He is just disturbing very much the fun in the game and I hope there will be consequences finally.

[supersexyy]

I have also experienced this - though not quite to this extent.

@Drahque take this as a warning, next time you'll be sitting out, again.

[Iznogood]

I can see many of the things Drah is pointing out - However this a TEAM game.
Refusing to send when 3/4 of the team wants is against the spirit.
Drahque - we already had long talks about this and after you came back from the last unvouch I could see a big change.
But obviously this is going in the wrong direction again.
I support Supersexyy's decission - it's unfortunately not the only game where you refuse to play with the team:

http://atl.entgaming.net/replay/view_re ... 158146.w3g

[eldryan]

this doesn't seem too bad tbh. sexyy is insulting as well, so can't put behavior on 1 person.

[Drahque]

take this as a warning

Everyone have their own rights to send when they feel is best. It's not against the rules to decide to save 1000 lumber, so that I can demon 20 and hopefully win in that way. I had lowest income, and my 1 demon was way more important 20 than 16. This can also be seen by the replay (if u did even watch it), enemies leaked just 2 or 3 units lvl 16 to the king. It's not like a Kraken or Infernal were gonna magically turn 2 into 70 leaks. The truth is, in order to win lvl 16 against a team with 4 heals WHO on top of that have ShockWave, need about 187 leaks on lvl 16.

Also, to give me a warning for not spending my 1000 lumber seems idiosyncratic, when there have been several similar reports - such as 4 reports with Eldryan in the past for not sending with his team or forcing his team to send (not saying I got anything against him, and I know he's also been much better at cooperating since) - where no warnings were given. I know that Dweller several times have mentioned, that you can't discipline players on incidents.

On top of this, you are not me, and have not experienced the stupendous sends I've chosen to send on, because my team did the last couple of days. Such as when Diablo decided to send 17 vs. a team who were massing Phantoms (even tho I said 247 times it was a bad idea) or many of Patarinsky horrible calls, which is also the reason he's gone 1581 --> 1270 elo in a couple of days. All of these stupid calls, have made me take it more serious, and sending lvl 16 is a big big mistake, which ultimately also was proven by this game.

[supersexyy]

Eldryan has definitely mellowed and is now much more agreeable, either way this is about you, not about him.

I think its very hypocritical and very rude that you are accusing Patarinsky of team-killing when you believe your decision is more correct than that of your whole team. Furthermore when you're the lowest ELO on your team then you really should be listening to the rest of your team.

It's very frustrating to play with players who do not cooperate as you probably understand in pub games. We want to eliminate the pub feeling as much as we can in LIHL so you should at least attempt to cooperate. This is even more emphasized by the fact you are one of the lower ELO players in the league. If you were a high elo (like Patarinsky) then I believe your judgements and calls could hold more weight, however this is not the case.

[Drahque]

I don't think this discussion will get us anywhere. Lately I just felt I've been too ''cooperative' and done some dumbs sends. I really try hard to explain my team if we're about to do something dumb, but it just seems as if nobody listens. Idk what to do about it, I guess I need to try to suck it in and eat the loss by that "V" click, even though I know it several levels before it happens.

So unless nobody else have any comments, achieve it?

[Iznogood]

I'm not questioning your personal skills.
But if you can't play with other people you're not forced to play LIHL - There's a new 1v1 bot (ent35).

[Diablo_]

I remember that Drahque was revouched only with the condition that he stops flaming/being a pest etc.
Just want to throw that jewel in here:
https://entgaming.net/findstats.php?id=2235852

How it started:
(21:29 / Allied) Diablo_: king 17 imo
(21:29 / Allied) Drahque: 14 king 20? or 12 king 20?
(21:35 / Allied) Drahque: not 17 vs. phantoms
(21:37 / Allied) Drahque: u must be maniac
(21:38 / Allied) Drahque: lol

Then we were discussing a bit and it ended on us sending 17 (because of me). After the send Drahque was a bit angry

(34:34 / Allied) Drahque: nobody even listen
(34:39 / Allied) Drahque: PHANTOMS RAPE 17 ??
(34:42 / Allied) Drahque: u wanted to loose ?
(34:55 / Allied) Drahque: HELLO?
(34:58 / Allied) Drahque: u
(34:59 / Allied) Drahque: AWNTED
(35:01 / Allied) Drahque: to LOSE?
(35:07 / Allied) Drahque: no but srsly he dont listen
(35:10 / Allied) Drahque: i said it 100 times
(35:22 / Allied) Drahque: this idiot sabotage me on purpose
(35:24 / Allied) Drahque: thats the thing
(35:45 / Allied) Drahque: im the only one here who got anti-20
(35:48 / Allied) Drahque: look ur crap for 20
(35:49 / Allied) Drahque: idiot
(36:49 / Allied) Drahque: this rlly hurt my hurts i can be so dumb to let u send 17
(36:54 / Allied) Drahque: rly rly hurts
(36:57 / Allied) Drahque: that u are so DUMB
(37:04 / Allied) Drahque: to send 17 vs. phantoms
(37:11 / All) Drahque: WHO SEND 17 VS. PHANTOMS !?!?
(37:20 / All) Drahque: PEOPLE NEVER LISTEN
(39:40 / Allied) Drahque: dont trust diablo
(39:44 / Allied) Drahque: he obviously trying to lose

Then on some level (think it was lvl 20) I was using king and we decided that I heal last. Since I didn't focus too much anymore cause of Drahques bitching I wasn't sure if they used both heals already when our king was at roughly 10% hp. Drahque was screaming "HEAL" so I thought it's my turn and just healed which resulted in a double heal with me and Mick (was my fault). After that he went completly insane and raged at me for about 20 minutes ingame and after the game in channel, accusing me of teamkilling (we won the game btw) and what not.

(40:05 / Allied) Drahque: oh wow
(40:06 / Allied) Drahque: u dumb?
(40:15 / All) Drahque: DIABLO FUCKING ACTING LIKE HES A RETARD
(40:20 / All) Drahque: first he force us to send 17
(40:22 / All) Drahque: now he double heals
(40:23 / All) Drahque: FUCK THIS TARD
(40:28 / Allied) Drahque: dweller
(40:31 / Allied) Drahque: can u unvouch him?
(40:33 / Allied) Drahque: hes teamkkilling us
(40:41 / All) Drahque: THIS IDIOT TEAMKILLING ON PURPOSE
(43:59 / Allied) Drahque: dude its so obvious u double healed on purpose


I don't really care if he stays in the league or not, that's why I didn't make a thread for that, but as there is one now I might aswell post it here.

[Drahque]

I could turn around all of that, and make a picture of you sabotaging the team trying to make us lose:
a) You barely send lvl 10, where my mass alone made them use a heal.
b) You upped king lvl 11 instead of sending with us for lvl 12, where me and Dwellers send (almost alone) made them use a heal.
c) You send demon lvl 17, against 1 or 2 people who were MASSING phantoms, even though I said 117 times it's a BAD idea and what Phantoms ONLY leaks the demon. If you don't know this after 900 lihl games, no wonder why I lost my respect for high elo's.
d) You double-healed on the most obvious way on lvl 20, saying something weird like: "Ooooh is it my turn?", when Dweller obviously said it was HIS heal and he was gonna heal.
e) You said I had bad units? Who were the only one on the team that held lvl 27? Even catching your leaks ..
f) You call me a fool? But who's the one sending lvl 17 against PHANTOMS?

So really, I could make a complaint about you trying to team-kill me instead .. but no, I'm not gonna waste time on that.


I can do the same like you, and plug out my view:
(33:25 / Allied) Diablo_: if we didnt sent 12 like retards they would die
(33:54 / Allied) dweIler: 12 was ok <Dweller said my 12 call was good>
(33:57 / Allied) dweIler: cost them a heal
(34:03 / Allied) Drahque: 17 dont even use a heal ..


(35:19 / Allied) Diablo_: why would I listen to you? <Not better himself, doesn't listen to teammate>
(35:28 / Allied) Diablo_: you are constantly building crap and making crap calls <insult? Check lvl 27 and see who 'build' crap>

(35:33 / Allied) Drahque: BUILDING CRAP?

(35:33 / Allied) Diablo_: being in bot 10 90% of the time
(35:34 / Allied) Diablo_: for a reason


(39:28 / Allied) Drahque: i heal first
(39:31 / Allied) dweIler: k
(39:34 / Allied) dweIler: im 2nd <Dweller clearly states he's 2nd>

(39:50 / Allied) Drahque: heal
(39:56 / Allied) Diablo_: me? <nice trolling, somehow you heal AFTER dweller did .. watch replay it looks so weird>
(39:58 / Allied) Drahque: HEAL

(39:58 / Allied) Diablo_: or mick?
(40:03 / All) Madridista: for the lolz
(40:04 / Allied) ZTX)Fiji: HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA <check enemies response to the dumbness>
(40:04 / Allied) dweIler: wtf <dwellers reaction clear it was a troll-heal>
(40:05 / Allied) Drahque: oh wow
(40:06 / All) OccupyW.Street: )
(40:06 / Allied) dweIler: i said im 2nd <same>
(40:06 / Allied) Drahque: u dumb?
(40:10 / Allied) ZTX)Fiji: HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
(40:14 / All) dweIler: zzzzzz <same>


(53:50 / Allied) Diablo_: u are a fool xd <calling me a fool? epic.>
(54:08 / All) Drahque: diablo calling me a fool
(54:18 / All) Drahque: the guy who send 17 vs. phantoms


Important part:
Anyways, I'll man up and apologize for my behavior, even tho it was bad calls, I shouldn't have been this mad. Sorry to Diablo_ and Skillerinstinct. I'll do my best to teamwork better.

[Diablo_]

I could turn around all of that, and make a picture of you sabotaging the team trying to make us lose:
a) You barely send lvl 10, where my mass alone made them use a heal.
b) You upped king lvl 11 instead of sending with us for lvl 12, where me and Dwellers send (almost alone) made them use a heal.
c) You send demon lvl 17, against 1 or 2 people who were MASSING phantoms, even though I said 117 times it's a BAD idea and what Phantoms ONLY leaks the demon. If you don't know this after 900 lihl games, no wonder why I lost my respect for high elo's.
d) You double-healed on the most obvious way on lvl 20, saying something weird like: "Ooooh is it my turn?", when Dweller obviously said it was HIS heal and he was gonna heal.
e) You said I had bad units? Who were the only one on the team that held lvl 27? Even catching your leaks ..
f) You call me a fool? But who's the one sending lvl 17 against PHANTOMS?

Oh, the all famous Drahque lieing/twisting.
a) Is this some joke? We all said we up king and you sent 1 (ONE) militia, no one else sent anything. I am really happy you sent a mass of 1 creep.
b) At 22:10 replay time you say you need income and that we should say whether we up king or send level 12. I upgraded king 1 second after your comment as a response. You start sending 2 second after me upgrading at which point I stopped upgrading and sent all my lumber.
c) As I said, I don't care what you say because you are bad. It's not my problem that you think it's a no-go to send on 17 vs a player who only has phantoms behind aquas and a player who only has phantoms behind neotanks thus both having no meat for their phantoms and the third guy also having nothing good for 17. Also, if we have done it my way, NOT sending 12 and just going 17 they WOULD have been dead. No one of them held 17 vs our quite weak send, if we sent everything there instead of splitting it the game would have been won right there.
d) Again, lie more. As I said I was controlling the king and didn't pay too much attention to heals. I saw your heal, but not Mick's. Then when the king was at 2.8k HP you write:
(39:50 / Allied) Drahque: heal
When the king hit 1k hp and still no heal was used I thought it would be my turn as nothing happened.
(39:56 / Allied) Diablo_: me?
(39:58 / Allied) Drahque: HEAL
(39:58 / Allied) Diablo_: or mick? (NOTE: king at 800 HP)
Then at 700 HP Mick and me use heal at the same time. As you can see by Drahque's capslock he was also nervous, just as me, so I wasn't sure what to do and decided to just heal as to me it looked like it was my turn as nothing happened and Drahque was screaming already.
e) Not even worth to comment this one. Hint: Rolls. Second hint: I had 3 demons, you had 1.
f) see c)

[Feor]

Drahque you are really hard to play with. You almost never listen to what your teammates are saying unless they agree with you., it is annoying when people never cooperate without making any compromise in any game.

[dweiler]

LIHL is not only about skill, but also manner. And this includes not ruining the fun for other people. Which ever way you turn it, Drahque, there have been 4 people complaining that you are ruining the fun in the game for them since you were re-vouched. No other player has achieved this before.

I would advice you to spend the rest of this season working on that. Your ELO and win rate is high enough to not get unvouched, and you won't get a top place - in other words, nothing to play for. Try to just have fun games and cooperate the best way possible. See the cooperation as a goal in itself, instead of the victory. If you do that, everything will be hunky-dory. Otherwise, as stated, we will unvouch you, because we want people to have a good time in the league (more than we want people to always send on the right levels).

[Drahque]

Okay, I'll do my best to not ruin the fun anymore and be more cooperative. Again, I'm sorry if I have ruined the fun for anyone, that was never my intention - I play to win, and those I always try to do my best to do so. But often it have opposite effect, due to discussions distract and the loss of attention cause more frequent mistakes.

[TUBBYzieKiNG]

Hello forum

I think most mods already know my opinion about the guy, so i dont think adding anything else would be usefull.
I was hoping that the guy would have changed his attitude and IQ in the time he was unvouched, but sadly i gotta keep my first opinion about the guy, i dont sign a game whenever the guy is. Its hard (in my opinion impossible) to change characteristics. I think it would be a good idea to leave this topic open for a week or so, since lately i seem to see alot of lihl members with opinions about the guy, give them a chance to share their views about the guy, whether it be good or bad.
Anyone seen the guy?